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Gall Bladder Flush, Part II
|By Kate Ahrens on Monday, October 01, 2001
- 10:25 am:
I hope you may be able to help me. I have been
in considerable pain of varying degrees for over a week now. Although
at first it appear to be back pain, I quickly became nauseous and
had cramping stomach pains on the right side. I went to my doctor
who suggested that it was probably gall stones. He has referred
me to a surgeon and for an ultrasound scan, but because this is
England, I won't get either for several weeks. In the mean
time, the only thing he suggested was pain killers. After I left
the surgery I came home and did some investigations of my own on
the web and found out about the gall bladder cleanse. I tried it,
preceded by 2 days of apple juice fast. The problem is that although
things were starting to get a bit better, I now feel bad again.
I still haven't eaten anything (that makes about 6 days
without food now) and the original attack wasn't particularly
brought on by eating anything. Could this be something other than
gall stones? And if it is gall stones, is there something else
I can do now to ease the pain?
|By Ingrid on Wednesday, October 03, 2001
- 01:09 am:
This is a difficult question. Do I understand
that you did swill down the olive oil and lemon juice? Then, nothing
unusual was eliminated? And, you are now as bad or worse than before?
If you managed to get down enough of the olive oil and lemon juice
and did not see any signs of stones (usually greenish and a
bit sticky looking), then odds are you don't have stones.
Also, a gall bladder attack is characterized by mild to acute pain
after eating, usually after eating fatty foods but sometimes eating
indigestible foods (such as food that has been cooked in a
microwave oven) or too much food. The pain subsides as the
food works its way through the gastrointestinal tract. If the pain
is constant, I would start searching for another explanation.
|By Kate Ahrens on Wednesday, October 03,
2001 - 02:43 am:
Thanks for replying, Ingrid
I went back to a different doctor at my group
surgery yesterday, and he was also convinced my problem was gall
stones. When I questioned the length of time that I had been in
pain, he said that perhaps a stone had been stuck in the bile duct
and was slowly working its way out.
As for the oil and lemon juice flush, I did take all of what you
recommend, and as far as I could see, the only thing that came
out was oil and lemon juice!
I am now, ten days after the onset of pain, starting to feel a
bit better. What's been of most help to me has been a very
hot water bottle held on to my stomach or my back. I've started
eating again, and the food I've had so far doesn't seem
to have made a difference one way or another to the pain.
I wondered if, since I wasn't eating at all, my digestive system
didn't really respond to the apple juice fast and the flush,
and it all just went through me without affecting my gall bladder?
Is it worth trying it again, when I'm not acutely in pain?
Thanks for your time
|By Ingrid on Friday, October 05, 2001 -
It's so difficult to know what is really going on. The risk,
of course, is that the failure to pinpoint the problem at an appropriate
time could be harmful. I would simply try to be more aware of your
body than heretofore so you can connect the dots (without becoming
The apple juice needs to be real apples, not apple cider or filtered
juice. The flush could very well have dislodged something that
was stuck and unless you spent a lot of time examining what came
out, you might have missed the proof.
Giving the body a rest is often a good idea.
The question is, what will happen when you start eating normally
again. Try to eat foods that are easy to digest: soups, fermented
foods, curries, seitan, fruit, etc.
Keep us posted and good luck!
|By Russ Jones on Tuesday, November 13,
2001 - 04:22 pm:
I have read about some people who advise taking
Epsom Salts before and after the oil & Lemon flush. I think
this is to flush out the system and keep the bile ducts open during
Do you think there is any advantage in taking the Epsom salts?
|By Ingrid on Wednesday, November 14, 2001
- 12:06 am:
Not sure about this. A lot of people use ortho-phosphoric
acid. If you do use Epsom salts, let us know how it goes for you.
|By Kate Ahrens on Thursday, November 15,
2001 - 05:03 pm:
Just to update you on my story, I have now had
an ultrasound scan which found multiple gall stones. I have an
appointment to see a surgeon in February, but I'd really be
keen to avoid surgery if I can. It occured to me that perhaps the
previous flush - done while I was actually in pain - might have
only managed to dislodge a stone trapped somewhere and so it might
be worth trying it again, now that I'm no longer in acute pain.
Also, can Stone Free be purchased anywhere in England?
Thanks for your time
|By Anonymous on Friday, November 16, 2001
- 09:45 am:
I purchased from you six bottles of Stone Free.
Should I follow the instructions on the bottle (2 tablets 3x
daily between meals) or less? or take more?
Will it hurt me to do this every day until all the bottles are
Or should I take it for a month, do a gall bladder flush and repeat
Thanks for ANY help!
|By Anonymous on Friday, November 16, 2001
- 09:50 am:
Forget the question, Ingrid, you basically answered
that question I had when answering Brad above.
|By Kristine Stein on Thursday, December
06, 2001 - 02:48 pm:
I was just had an ultrasound done to check for
gall stones and the tech confirmed I hav them but no disease. I
would like to try the stone free but I am breastfeeding my 3-month-old
baby. Is it safe to use while breastfeeding?
|By Ingrid on Friday, December 07, 2001
- 02:24 am:
No herbalist will ever say that a formula is safe during pregnancy
or nursing, but the primary ingredients in Stone Free are very
ordinary spices: ginger and turmeric. Frankly, I think this is
one of the safest formulas on earth, but just as certain diets
would tend to throw off constitutional balance, so would certain
herbs. The herbs in Stone Free are mainly hot (pungent) and
bitter so the odds would favor a slight reduction in the production
of milk and a modest lowering of libido, but I really doubt this
would be in an easily detectable range.
Though I do not want to trivialize the question or the answer,
I would suggest that if you ate very hot curry for breakfast, lunch,
and dinner, you would have more or less a comparable effect on
milk production, but no one is going to tell you not to eat curry.
Does this answer help or make it more confusing?
|By Pamela Gail on Monday, December 10,
2001 - 12:56 pm:
When I was a young child my parents often used
a doctor`s visit as a way to threaten me into submission of this
or that and as long as I can remember I have been terrified of
doctors. SOooo,I go to the doctor only when I have no other option;
when I am a the end of my rope and this is where I find myself
I believe I have gall stones from the research I have been doing.
Here are my symptoms:
I have a unusual "grabbing" pain in my stomach and under
my rib cage on the right side. My stomach tighens and then won`t
release for a while and often begins to naw. This scares me!
Something feels like it is moving from time to time and that scares
The pain gets curiously worse when I am sitting up straight,worse
when I lean forward, and better when I lay down and put a pillow
behind my back. It does not seem to setin necessarily after I eat
something but is just there. I really have to baby this situation
I find myself in in order to get through the day.
Yesterday morning on the way to church, my stomach was nawing away...I
had no breakfast and it was well after noon before I ate anything.
My stomach began to calm after I ate and assumed a relaxed position.
I had a roast beef sandwich with swiss cheese and mayo and a slice
af apple pie. I finished eating and went to change my clothes.
As I sat on the bed, the now familiar pain began. Spasams galore!
I rarely have nausea with this, I am happy to say, but I get very
anxious and began to sometimes begin to panic which just adds to
Another curious thing:
I have no pain while sleeping but as soon as I get up in the morning
and still in my ladder back chair to type, the dull ache under
my right rib starts in to some degree. Today it is light. The stomach
grabbing is not constant but more like episodic than the dull ache
where I believe my fall bladder is. So I can`t say that I only
have this pain after eating.
Yesterday my friend told me that she had the same sensation when
she had gall stones and I really think this is what I have.
I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon to see the doctor. I keep
trying to put it out of my mind but I feel like a trapped animal
I am severely obese and this adds to my fear about gall stones
and the surgery thing. I would be a high risk patient, I believe.
Does i sound to you as though I have gall stones?
Do you know if there is any medication that a doctor can prescribe
instead of surgery?
I trust in the LORD in all things but I don`t mind telling you
that I am also frightened.
I would be willing to suffer through the pain and take a longer
course to avoid surgery. I believe I am at high risk because of
my weight and because I have a tendency to get bronchitis.
Any help would be a blessing to me.
GOD bless you.
Could you suggest a diet which would not trigger gall stone attacks?
|By Ingrid on Tuesday, December 11, 2001
- 10:15 pm:
By now you will have seen your doctor and have a professional opinion.
However, it is clear from what you written that you have a metabolic
problem. You are definitely not burning up the food you ingest
so dietary changes would probably support a higher level of health.
This said, your symptoms are not perfectly consistent with gallbladder
disease, but perhaps this is what the doctor already told you.
As a short-term measure, you could certainly eat more radishes
and use organic, non-irradiated spices in your cooking. Then, there
|By Elizabeth Vowles on Saturday, December
15, 2001 - 01:41 am:
I have just been diagnosed as having gallstones-
after 13 years of mis-diagnosis!! I have seen the little critters
and the gallbladder wall lining is very thick. I am in severe pain
three to four times a month. Is it too late to try the olive oil
thing? I am due back at the hospital in a week to discuss operations.
Also, is the Stone Free stuff available in the UK?
Thank you for a really informative site.
|By Ingrid on Sunday, December 16, 2001
- 12:11 pm:
It's not too late to do the flush, but it's
easier if you do the Stone Free first. We are able to ship to the
U.K., but there might be something comparable there. The ingredients
are not unusual, but this product has been very safe and effective
for lots of people.
|By Ravensdale NZ on Sunday, December 16,
2001 - 09:17 pm:
I am 3 months pregnant and just been told I had
gall stones after a baby scan. Now I can also see I have the typical
symptoms too. Weird thing is in teh last week to two I've become
a major fan of apple juice (which I'd earlier put down
to pregancy cravings)and right off fatty foods. I ate some
fries the other day and now I know to stay well clear of them.
Obviously during pregnancy I need to be careful but will introduce
radishes to my salads and continue with the apple juice. Any other
Ravensdale, in New Zealand
|By Ingrid on Tuesday, December 18, 2001
- 11:02 pm:
You can use mild curries, not too spicy since
this inhibits growth. You can use lemons and other tangy fruits,
just not too much. You would be taking these as carminative adjustments
to your diet, foods that aid digestion and assimilation without
being too radical. Be sure not to use the microwave oven for anything.
Use only very good quality oils and mostly raw, i.e., not fried.
Good oils are hard to come by, but look for oils made from organically
grown seeds and nuts, oils that are cold processed and unfiltered,
and oils that are packaged in completely opaque bottles so that
no light passes through.
Lastly, try to cook only as much food as you can eat in one meal
. . . so as to avoid refrigeration and reheating of food. Food
is harder to digest when reheated and the oils are vastly inferior
when subjected to heat twice.
Good luck and let us know when the baby arrives!
|By Pamela on Friday, December 21, 2001
- 09:16 am:
I attempted to do the flush last night, but after
drinking about a half a cup of the olive oil/lemon juice I couldn't
get any more down. I am drinking nothing but apple juice today
and want to try again tonight. Any suggestions on how to get the
olive oil down?
|By Ingrid on Monday, December 24, 2001
- 09:05 am:
I was out of town for a couple of days, celebrating the solstice
with friends so perhaps you have already tried again?
Basically, you need to take it slowly. I really find that a few
teaspoons every 15-20 minutes is the only way it works for me.
Some people use more lemons. There are variations of the recipe,
but keep trying is the answer.
How brave to undertake this during holidays!
|By Anonymous on Thursday, December 27,
2001 - 06:26 pm:
I have been reading so much about the gall bladder
flush on the internet, that I think to be safe maybe I just need
to have the surgery! My doctor has referred me to a surgeon already,
not that I really want to have surgery, if it can be avoided! I
talked to a Naturopath that would have me completely eliminate
grains and dairy from my diet. I have to be realistic - I've
already lost too much weight from gall bladder disease - I can't
afford to eliminate the only source of calories in my diet, and
there aren't enough calories in vegetables to give me the energy
I need. I will not do a 'spring water enema' and I don't
have a nutritionist to advise me on the flush. Should I do it without
professional guidance, as most sites advise, or can I just eat
apples for 3 days and then do this thing olive oil/lemon juice
thing? I'm sick of being sick, and don't have the energy
to go on a 3 month diet of kale and seaweed.
Please advise - your approach seems most realistic
|By Ingrid on Thursday, December 27, 2001
- 10:51 pm:
If you can put off the surgery for a couple of
months, you can try the Stone Free. It's really simple. You
don't have to change your diet or do the flush. You can also
try the radishes and apples and skip the flush . . . or you can
do some combination of all of this. Remember, right in the middle
of an attack, I took six Stone Free and in minutes was better.
I know some people who take Stone Free practically every day because
their tendency to form stones is so great.
|By Anonymous on Monday, December 31, 2001
- 12:09 pm:
I recently lost 25 pounds and now I am experiencing "something" in
my upper right side under my rib cage. I felt pretty bad a few
weeks ago every time I ate a fatty meal. Since then I have changed
my diet and now the symptoms have certainly lessened. I wouldn't
describe what I'm feeling as an attack. It feels like a "knot" in
my side, with a feeling of pressure...not pain. Been reading a
lot on the internet and I was wondering if I have gall stones?
|By Ingrid on Tuesday, January 01, 2002
- 12:13 am:
Gallstones are a very common consequence of dieting,
but it's hard to say what you might be experiencing. If the
feeling is 100% responsive to diet, it might be possible to draw
some conclusions, but flushing the gallbladder can be considered
routine maintenance for many people. Some need to do it as often
as every three months, others every 5-10 years. It's quite
Good luck and happy new year!
|By Mary Beth Butler on Thursday, January
03, 2002 - 02:41 pm:
I have all the symptoms of stones/disease but after three tests (the
last one injecting radioactive stuff into me!) the doctor said,
well, he couldn't see any gallstones - so gave me an antacid.
I'm not satisfied with that...nor am I willing to give up broccoli,
cabbage, celery, occasional fatty foods, all of which have made
me very ill since this began. I am planning to try the gallbladder
flush this weekend.
Question: does the Stone Cleanse work as a preventative (I'm
thinking AFTER I get the flush done initially?
Thanks! Mary Beth
|By marybeth7368 on Thursday, January 03,
2002 - 02:47 pm:
One other thought from me...I am interested in
the ayurveda information you present.
I have ALWAYS craved acidic foods, and like to use lots of vinegar,
mustard, pickles, and other such things as condiments. So much
so that people think I am very weird! I wonder if this personal
preference may be related to the "low digestive fire" you
mention. What do you think? If that were the case, would you recommend
that I continue eating like that - or INCREASE my intakes of acidic
foods - or decrease?
thanks! Mary Beth
|By Alicia on Thursday, January 03, 2002
- 06:32 pm:
A couple of nights ago I had this EXTREME pain
under my rib cage. It felt like someone was grabbing my diapragm
because I could barely breath or talk. I would get real hot! Nothing
was comforting. It would come and go all day until eventually I
would vomit and then after a little while longer it would subside.
I have had this maybe about 5 times or so and it all started about
3.5 years ago approximately 15 days after my daughter was born.
It hurt so bad, it's comparable to labor!!
|By Ingrid on Friday, January 04, 2002 -
First, Mary Beth,
There is no general rule. People with "low digestive fire" need
the spices and acidic foods whereas those who have enough or more
than enough would probably have diarrhea if they ate the same foods.
Doing the flush will not hurt. It will wipe the slate clean so
that hopefully it would take many years to recreate the problem
you suspect you have but the doctors cannot confirm. However, your
reference to cruciferous vegetables suggests that you are not metabolizing
these notorious "vata deranging" foods adequately. You
probably need to eat these vegetables as a curry or with lots of
ginger to make them more digestible.
To deal with the exposure to radiation, seaweed, trace minerals,
garlic, and Siberian ginseng might be useful.
|By Ingrid on Friday, January 04, 2002 -
I really have no idea what is wrong. You might have some compression,
dislocated rib, but you might have liver or gallbladder problems?
Have you thought of asking a doctor?
|By Brendas on Friday, January 04, 2002
- 11:22 am:
Well, I am kind of behind on this thing called
gall bladder disease. I had been having excruciating pain about
once a month. It was normally hours after I ate. Only once was
it within 3 hours of me eating. This went on for about 5 months.
I had seen 3 doctors and no one knew what was wrong with me. In
early December, the pain came again (about 6 hours after eating
Chinese food (non-buffet). The pain lasted about 6 hours.
The next day, the pain came back around noon. I had not eaten anything
that morning. I went to my doctor again - who treated my with heartburn.
That weekend, not only was I in pain all weekend, but I continually
threw up and could keep nothing down. Fortunately, I had a prescription
pain killer that was able to help get through the pain. I had been
in contact with the doctor and returned to visit him on Tuesday
morning. He sent me to have a ultrasound, which the technician
said that my gallbladder was full of stones and sludge. My doctor's
office called the place where I was having my ultrasound and asked
me to return immediately - the urinalysis showed bile in my urine.
I returned to the doctors office, he informed me that I had jaundice,
my system was full of the bile that the liver produces because
I had a blockage in one of the ducts. He sent me straight to a
surgeon, who immediately admitted me to the hospital and they did
emergency surgery to remove my gallbladder.
So now I do not have my gallbladder. After that surgery, they had
to do another surgery 2 days later removing the blockage from my
duct to my stomach. The level of bile in blood kept increasing,
so the doctors knew that I had a blockage somewhere else. So they
went through my mouth and enlarged that duct to allow the stones
to pass through.
According to my surgeons, my gallbladder was very long and had
too many stones to count. The blockage in my duct was the same,
too many to count.
I was told that this is hereditary and also affects people with
American Indian heritage. Which, yes, I am 1/8th American Indian
and my dad had gall stones, which his gall bladder was removed.
I was also told that if you have gall stones and not in any pain,
that you should still do something about it, because if those stones
stay in there a long time, they turn cancerous. My aunt died of
cancer, which started out as gall bladder cancer.
I am about 15 pounds heavier than my ideal weight. I have a lot
of cellulite. Even when I was very active and exercised for a couple
of hours 4 times a week, I still had cellulite.
Now that I don't have a gall bladder, I am not routine in bowl
movements. I find that I will go about 3 days with no movements,
then on the 4th day, it will be very liquid and often.
Help! I have read your whole site on gall bladder stuff, read every
posting on the bulletin board. Any insight would be helpful. How
do I know if I have a slow metabolism? From what I have read on
your site, I do. What about the water storage problem comment.
Is that why I continually have cellulite? I am always frustrated
to see people more overweight than me with no cellulite?
What about diet considerations?
|By Anonymous on Saturday, January 05, 2002
- 01:07 pm:
The liver flush is a very simple procedure that
will clean your liver of gall stones, if you have any. I don't
know about all those Hindu terms about cold and hot and wet and
damp, doesn't make any difference to me. The procedure I followed
was not the one on this site, but it produced a lot of stones,
250 stones this last time, over one hundred the first time. I drank
concoctions of epson salts with water, also I drank 8 ounces of
olive oil with 8 ounces of grapefruit juice. I drank the oil at
once and did not have any aversion to oils after a couple of days.
The stones seem to be liver's defence against parasites, viruses
and bacteria, it builds a stone around them to isolate them from
the body. I feel great, more energetic and peaceful after each
cleanse. The liver is the seat of anger, cleanses will help you
deal with emotional anger.
|By Ingrid on Saturday, January 05, 2002
- 05:58 pm:
This is more addressed to Brenda's issues
since the message immediately above does not really require a response.
Years ago when surgery was less common, it was not realized that
the gallbladder may "grow back" years after surgery. Now
due to the frequency of surgery, it has been learned that many
people develop a replacement organ that performs the function of
the gallbladder, not perhaps something that can be called a gallbladder
but something quite similar.
In the meantime, you are definitely experiencing digestive as well
as eliminatory distress. To make things easier on yourself, you
may have to make some dietary changes or take supplements to increase
the production of hydrochloric acid and enzymes.
At minimum, you should avoid using the microwave, avoid food that
is preserved (canned, frozen, or packaged in such a way as
to give it longer shelf life.) You could also increase your
intake of fruits and reduce sugars and saturated fats.
You could also be very selective in your choice of oils, avoiding
all the normal supermarket oils and using only cold pressed oils
made from organically grown seeds and grains. Sesame might be the
Since the gallbladder was removed, there was an opportunity to
examine its contents for the presence of anything out of the ordinary.
This information might be available from the pathologist.
Then, given you evident concern based on your own and your family's
history, you might really examine your family's dietary and
life style patterns to see if there are some aggravating factors,
i.e., beyond the genetic ones, that would predispose you to cancer.
You could also do an anti-cancer protocol once or twice a year
to reduce your predisposition. You could read what is posted on:
Let me know if this gets you off to a start.
|By Michael Adkisson on Wednesday, January
16, 2002 - 08:49 am:
Ingrid, many thanks for your efforts to get the
message out. It's people like you that are truly making a difference
in the world today!
I just did the gall bladder flush with remarkable results. But
first, some background...
Two and a half years ago, I noticed a slight discomfort below the
right rib cage. At 44, I was a new father at the time and attributed
it to stress. A fear-mongering internist put it into my mind that
I might have liver problems based upon a high cholesterol reading.
I would not allow an ultrasound because at the time I was being
pressured by family members to get medicalized. (Fear leads
to anger, anger leads to hate, and doctors lead to surgery and
drugs) Since I do normally have a nightcap (or two!) before
retiring, I considered this a possibility. Bottom line is, I have
since discovered that the internist was unethical (mail campaigns
to collect additional co-pay, an illegal practice) and was
obviously exploiting a new parent (me) under stress. Needless
to say, I take milk thistle and other liver tonics daily. There
is no indication whatsoever of liver disease; my eyes are white,
and my fingernails all have strong half-moons. Digestive system
works reasonably well. The chiropractor says it's okay.
The discomfort has persisted, though it comes and goes, and is
dormant when I am horizontal. Sometimes it is a sharp pain, at
other times a dull ache. Frankly it was not until I visited your
web site that it occured to me that I might have gall stones. It
seemed to match what I was experiencing.
I am fairly bold whenever I discover something new. I went out
right away and bought some olive oil and lemon juice from Whole
Foods Supermarket. Over the course of a 24 hour period, I consumed
nearly a small jar of olive oil and the lemon juice. I did not
fast, but went about my regular activities (family life with
both parents working can be rough). This morning I noticed
the greenish stones coming out, some as large as marbles, some
small as peas. I must say this is one of the most remarkable events
ever experienced! Why is it that medical science always wants to
remove organs rather than save them? This is a proof of concept
I have noticed a marked difference, and a reduction of discomfort.
However, I must admit there is still some discomfort. My thinking
is that I shouldn't expect things to normalize overnight, that
the gall bladder must have stretched itself out quite a bit. Does
it just go back to its normal size? The other part of me says that
the flush was partial, because I was eating throughout the whole
When should I be expecting things to completely normalize? Should
I do another flush, this time more seriously? I have no doubt that
stones came out...I was not afraid of the flush, because when I
saw the photos on your web site, my first reaction is that I want
those stones out now, as fast as possible. As you can tell, I'm
not always the most patient person.
Thanks again for your site...I am planning on ordering some Stone
|By Ingrid on Thursday, January 17, 2002
- 10:44 am:
Stone Free can help prevent the recurrence of
what is called gallbladder disease by those who mistrust. They
learn that the disease is not curable and they remove the gallbladder
because this is what they have been taught is the right procedure.
As the patient, you need to realize that you have a tendency to
form stones. By middle age, you could have a lot of them, but children
often have them. Consider it sort of like you would diabetes. Some
people are diabetic in childhood and some develop it later on.
Some have somewhat elevated blood sugar, some have seriously elevated
blood sugar. If neglected, complications will set in sooner or
It's the same with gallstones. Now you know you form them.
You can be more careful about your diet; but you can also supplement
your diet with more apples and radishes, and you can take Stone
Free during stressful times and flush every now and then. I know
people who flush twice a year and some who wait 5-10 years.
Best wishes and thanks for the pat on my back. It sometimes feels
lonely in the wilderness.
|By Michael Adkisson on Thursday, January
17, 2002 - 03:01 pm:
Thanks for the post, Ingrid. Yeah, I know all
about the wilderness. Here I am into alternative health care and
new age stuff living in Dallas, the buckle of the bible-belt. Whoa,
it does get lonely.
I will be 47 in March but already beginning to find out all kinds
of things about growing old (yuk!) Last year I discovered
I had scoliosis; luckily the chiropractor helped me get some movement
back in the neck. The nervous system effects all the organs, you
So...I guess I'll have to take better care of my gall bladder
as well as my spinal column and deteriorated vertebrae. I feel
better, but I now realize I'm not out of the woods yet...thanx
|By Ingrid on Saturday, January 19, 2002
- 08:09 pm:
If the scoliosis didn't show up until just
recently, there is every reason to suspect something else, such
as parasites and irregular use of calcium . . . Have you given
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