| Author | Message | ||
     Doris |
I need some help! Would a gall bladder flush also help pancreatitis that may or may not have been caused by gall stones. Do not have pain on right side or to scapula in back. Pain was central and to the left and to the back. Diagnosed as pancreatitis. Went on 7 day fast with pedialyte only to give pancreas a rest. Have not had follow-up sonogram yet. I am afraid of surgery. I have had 5 major surgeries in my lifetime and that was enough for anyone! 3 non malignant tumors and 2 c. sections. What is your Stone product? | ||
| Ingrid |
Doris, Read the posts on the gallbladder flush to find out about Stone Free. Some have used it successfully for a number of other conditions: kidney stones and what one might call stagnant water. This can manifest as lumps under the skin or inability to lubricate. If once upon a time, there was a normal libido, chances are that some fluids have hardened. They emulsify and begin to move, i.e., no longer stagnant. It's hard to comment on the pancreatitis. Is it acute, chronic, painful? I have seen this misdiagnosed many times. One friend fasted on fresh pineapple juice and goldenseal and was fine after only two days, but it would seem that you need a little more information than you have been given. This said, detoxification is good for almost anyone, not perhaps emaciated people, but anyone with enough basic stamina to cope with a limited diet for a short period of time. Best wishes! | ||
| Doris |
Thank you Ingrid. I will have a sonogram to find out if there are gall stones present in either pancreas or gall bladder. Perhaps both? I am so adverse to surgery in either respect but in your articles I don't see that a flush will work for the pancreas. And I don't understand how one can consume that much olive oil without going right into some horrible situation. I had acute pancreatitis. Don't drink, don't smoke, and have kept my weight within reason (okay I could stand to lose 15-20 lbs) exercise daily including walking and swimming, and eat fruits, veggies, homemade whole grain bread, very little red meat, some chicken, herb tea. Three years ago I decided to be aware of my body and do the right things. Foods with preservatives are a no-no. My only worst fault is an occasional Coke. I am not the typical pancreatitis or gall bladder type! Bottom line question: does the oil/lemon flush work for stones in pancreas? Thank you in advance. Doris | ||
| Ingrid |
Doris, While I believe that stones are related to diet, they are also affected by basic constitutional factors, such as the ability to produce the gastric secretions needed to metabolize everything that is ingested. For this reason, some people who are extremely careful about what they eat still have a tendency to form stones. It is likely that with a deeper understanding of the idiosyncrasies of body type, diets could be adapted to the uniqueness of each individual, but the tendency to form stones would still be there, maybe simply operating on a little less dominating basis. For instance, the changes you made from supermarket bread to whole grain bread may be excellent, but you might not really have the capacity to metabolize even "good bread." Besides, most bread contains Malathion residues that may paralyze the gastrointestinal tract of some individuals (the pellets are added to the grain to prevent bugs from damaging the grain during storage and shipment.) Ergo, most people need to consider organic as a minimum . . . and even then, they may not be able to metabolize the stickiness of the carbohydrates. As for the flush and pancreatic stones, it's my understanding that the ducts will open and the stones will slide out. I can't say more on the olive oil: so many people have written to say that it worked for them that regardless of what one imagines to be the case, the proof is in the pudding. | ||
| Doris |
Thank you Ingrid. I promise you I will try the lemon/olive oil treatment before I submit to surgery. I will let you know the outcome (no pun intended) next week. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It's so fabulously wonderful to have a site like this that promises so much help to people like me who don't know where to turn. Doris | ||
| Ingrid |
We will await the outcome . . . God bless! | ||
| Doris |
Ingrid, I will be doing the flush this weekend. I forgot to ask one question. Aside from the baked potato, what is the usual next step in diet? I eat a "white" diet now that is fairly limiting and not very tasty. I would love to have a nice big salad with greens, tomatoes, carrot strips, peppers, celery, and onion! How soon? I don't care for steak, beef, or pork chops so don't really care about those items, but I do like Italian foods made with 3 kinds of cheese! Parmesan, riccota, and mozzarella. Perhaps it is just a matter of "try it and see"? Thanks in advance. Doris | ||
| Ingrid |
I don't know what a white diet is? pasta, bread, and such? It would be almost indigestible. A simple soup is good. They call these "potassium soups" and they help to normalize electrolyte balance after fasting. You can choose four vegetables and cook them in water without any seasoning at all. Celery, potatoes, carrots, leafy green vegetables, squashes, corn, etc. are fine. On the first go around, I would avoid the peppers and tomatoes and probably onions and garlic also. Keep it very simple when coming off a fast. | ||
| Doris |
Ingrid, pardon me for bothering you again but this is funny. My stupid dr. (whom I will never ever see again) charged me $92 to tell me to go home and eat apples. I could not find a diet for pancreatitis ANYWHERE. It appears licensed dietitians do not want to give out this information without some kind of physician's initials to okay it. A pancreatic diet is apparently different than a gallstone diet. So-I talked with a person who also had pancreatitis and she was told to eat a white diet. This is white bread, white cheese, apples, pears, bananas, mushroom soup, milk, crackers. And that's what I have been eating for the past 2 weeks. No wonder I would like a salad! I think it's kind of funny but really, Ingrid, there is no information on the web and Lord knows I searched long and hard! Not that it matters, but do you have any idea of how hard it is to find natural apple juice. I actually haven't found any yet! This is not exactly apple harvest time in Wisconsin! Doris | ||
| Ingrid |
Doris, There is very little on the pancreas because, I suspect, people don't understand it as well as they should. You can get organic, unfiltered apple juice at most health foods stores, in gallon bottles even. Since it isn't the season for fresh apples, this is the best you can do. I do not understand this white diet. White bread can't be good for anyone. White cheese may or may not be sensible. What you really want is organic cheese, no hormones or chemical processes to turn milk into cheese without enzymatic activity. Normal cheese isn't digestible by most people and it will make a nice sticky glue, especially with that white bread to help out. Milk is a poison for most people these days. I have been putting up a lot of material on milk lately and will add some more this evening. You absolutely have to have organic milk, no ifs, ands, or buts. I think someone is giving you really lazy answers. I'll try to make some constructive suggestions. I think what people are trying to say is that inflammatory conditions need to be pacified and all this white paste will buffer the inflammation, but it won't shift the cause of the problem, will it? You need to know what is causing the inflammation and look at infection, blockage, and perhaps even perforation as possibilities. I'll add something more later. | ||
| Doris |
Last update. The flush did not work for me but remember I also had acute pancreatitis along with a gall bladder problem. Also, never had a gall bladder attack or gall bladder pain. Do have a couple of stones (showed on ultra sound) but more seriously, may have a pseudocyst on pancreas and will have CT scan to check that out. (Which probably explains pain in middle and LEFT side under ribs.) So a flush isn't for everyone but I am glad it works for some. For the rest of us, do see a doctor for unexplained pain. Doris | ||
| Ingrid |
Doris, Since the gallbladder is more to the right and the pancreas to the left, your symptoms probably never were due to gall stones so the flush was really just a "let's see if it helps" effort. I am, of course, concerned that some people writing about the flush are dealing with gall stones and others are dealing with parasites, constipation, adhesions, or who knows what else so I support you in reminding people that proper diagnoses are important. This said, I'm sorry this did not relieve your symptoms, but I still want to go on record saying that "white diet" wouldn't get much support from anyone I know! Good luck and take care! | ||
| Doris |
I can certainly agree about the white diet but at least it doesn't make me ill and I am deathly afraid of anything that would start a pancreatic attack. This won't last much longer so it's okay. Yes, I agree, I didn't have a gallstone attack and knew the symptoms just didn't fit. Had a CT Scan today and that will prove or dis-prove the pseudocyst. I am hoping--well, I don't even know what I am hoping for. Just to get better soon. | ||
| Ingrid |
Doris, The white diet is precisely the opposite of what all experts say. The absolute first things to eliminate in any diet are white flour and white sugar. Most people would also advise against almost all dairy products, maybe not the fermented ones. While you are basically right that these foods "destroy" certain symptoms, they are basically only effective against certain conditions, for instance, excess consumption of hot peppers. Otherwise, they are unsuitable for consumption by anyone. They become sticky and form a plaster like substance that impacts the walls of the colon. Years ago, many years ago, I read that the average person has 40 pounds of this kind of white bread, pasta, and sugar coating on the inside wall of the colon. I repeated this statement in a seminar and a hand went up right away. It was a nurse who had participated in a lot of autopsies. She said that she had personally seen as much as 90 pounds. As the years have gone by, I have heard one story after another of people losing mega amounts of weight after colonic therapy. One man was 165 pounds and lost 38 pounds. He was astonished. Some people with this kind of impaction have very poor peristalsis because the plaster keeps the villi from doing their job. Some seem to be regular, but their assimilation is zilch. Food is assimilated in the stomach, small intestines, and large intestine. According to Ayurveda, it is the nutrients that are assimilated in the colon that are used to rebuild skin, bones, nerve sheaths, brain, and reproductive tissue. If the walls are impacted, people not only suffer from deficiency conditions, they begin to develop chronic degenerative diseases. In short, while impaction may or may not have anything to do with your current problems, the white diet will cause such problems--sooner or later. Because you have had many prior operations, it would not surprise me if there are adhesions and/or infection. I hope you find out something useful soon so you can take the appropriate corrective measures. God bless! | ||
| Doris |
Ingrid, sorry I've waited so long to get back to you. Fortunately I did not have a psuedocyst or tumor of the pancreas; it simply was plugged by only one VERY large gallstone. Which wasn't causing any gall bladder trouble (yet) but affected the pancreas. I did have the laparoscopy for gall bladder/stone removal and all went well.(It really is a super simple surgery with minor scars that are almost non-detectable. I don't want to over-simplify though. It is a major surgery on the inside of your body!) The pancreas was still full of "sludge" and is not quite working as it ought but then, it's only been a month and it needs many weeks. Will have a follow-up blood test to check on amaylease (sp?)production, which will tell us what that little organ is doing. So that's about that. Curious how these things happen! | ||
| Ingrid |
Well, I am glad the surgery went well and that you know for sure what your problem was. I hope you continue to recover splendidly and live a healthy and happy life! | ||
| Sunny_1a |
I have been diagnosed with acute pancreatitis Could you kindly let me know if there is any treatment in ayurveda which can cure this problem? | ||
| Ingrid |
Actually, this is beyond the scope of a bulletin board so I hope you are seeking treatment with a specialist. Once you are stabilized, you might want to consider Ayurvedic formulas that promote better pancreatic function. Best wishes, Ingrid |