|Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 02:10 am: |
I have been building two new web sites and neglected this one for a few days so there's a lot to catch up on.
In between creating the new sites and some other tasks, I have been reading a lot about coconut oil, you know the bad kid on the block who is suddenly the good one.
Unfortunately, and I hate to sound so cynical, but you always have to look at who funds the research. For example, when Johanna Budwig of flax oil fame published her work, she was dismissed from an agency that was receiving money to make margarine sound good. I watched a documentary program on GMO foods the other night and the lecturer showed all Monsanto advertisements with smiling children and happy dogs saying "DDT is good for you." Madison Avenue always says that what their customers want to sell is good so real information and real research is hard to find.
I think where I am going with this is that a lot of what makes a food less digestible is the loss in freshness. Therefore, if one eats "the same" food two days in a row, but the second time, the food is reheated, it's not just harder to digest, it contains toxins that were absent in the first meal.
Another problem is that an oil is not an oil is not an oil. First, there are good oils and bad oils (but I have to say in 30 years in the health profession, I have probably only succeeded in getting people to switch brands of oil once or twice and probably not sold half a dozen bottles of oil on this web site.)
A good oil is made from organically grown products, is not subjected to air, heat, or light during processing or storage, and is not overheated in cooking. So, one cannot compare an uncooked, extra virgin olive oil with a cooked anything oil. Next, I suspect that it is absolutely impossible to absorb a significant amount of oil at one time so it moves straight through and lubricates while doing so.
Now on the fast itself, I suggest doing it at night and not eating until noon the next day. The flush is something like a fast, and it's always important how you break a fast. The two safe ways to break fasts are vegetable soups without any seasoning: four vegetables, no salt, but this tastes incredible when you are hungry. The other is a baked potato but the temptation to dress it up is very great and you just want a simple baked potato to stabilize after moving so much through the body so quickly.
I had gall bladder attacks in the mid-80s during a particularly stressful time in my life. One was so bad that I completely forgot I had Stone Free in the kitchen. I was ready to surrender my gall bladder but my wits came back to me. I took six tablets every half hour until the pain subsided. I have never had a recurrence, but as I have mentioned, I have never passed a stone either. I think this problem goes with a different constitutional type.
This brings me to the next question, the one on vision. Basically, this is one of the subjects of one of the new web sites: astroheal.net. There is a questionnaire on that site to help you determine your constitutional type. The interpretations are not posted yet, but you will get a score.
In the context of this thread, the issue is fire-water. Basically, fire is the catabolic half of metabolism and water is the anabolic half. Balance, the illusive middle way, is the trick. When there is a lot of fire, people are far-sighted and when there is water, they are near-sighted. When there is fire, they metabolize quickly; when there is water, digestion is slow and often inadequate, which you can translate, i.e. "metabolic residuals."
Fire rules gastric secretions. You have lots of hydrochloric acid and bile and so forth when there is high fire, but you usually have insufficient acids, enzymes, and insulin when there is too much water. You can manage the idiosyncracies of your own type once you know your type. This is the purpose of the new site. The questionnaire has been technically challenging but it is working now. It's confidential and hosted on a secure part of the site. Still, if in doubt about the questions or hesitant to answer, it's better to skip the question than to answer incorrectly. It's for your own use:
Also, I might add that this discussion board is part of a quite large web site called:
Originally, everyone came directly to the home page, but now they enter via every which page and often do not know that there is more material elsewhere.
|Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 04:54 am: |
Anyone ??? I know I read some where in this site about taking either peppermint oil or tea for gall bladder attacks. I did a search and cannot find it anywhere. I have not done the second flush with olive oil and lemon. I am taking a Chinese Traditional Medicine called Shi Lin Tong and have so far passed two huge stones. Along with this I am drinking green tea and lots of water. I am still scared of having another attack. Today I got four bottles of Stone Free but do not know if I can take it along with the Shi Lin Tong. Does any one know ? Thanks in advance. Ingrid, thanks for your reply but I do not think I am ready to give up all meat yet. I have given up red meat, all I have is a small amount of chicken or turkey. I cannot let go of my pasta or canned soups, however I have shunned the microwave and frozen foods. I also am hanging onto my Roman Meal Bread, two slices a day. This may sounds like an awful diet, but it is such an improvement over what I was eating a few weeks ago that I am happy with it right now. I eat lots of fresh fruits and vegetables. Thanks again,
Now the thing wont let me post this!! I am having trouble, it wont let me post my password. I will try to post this anonymously
|Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 06:56 pm: |
Don't enter anything in the password box. It's hard to remove the box, but it is to remain empty.
The tea to take is boldo. It tastes a bit like peppermint but is not quite the same.
If you are getting good results with the Chinese medicines, stick with them. Stone Free is very mild and gentle. No one has drama with it but when you mix and match, you could be overdoing what you actually need. You can always try and see what happens, but you might not be able to observe anything more than increasing tolerance for what you eat.
|Posted on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 04:59 am: |
Ingrid, Thanks !!
Ok thanks I will stick with the Chinese herbs. I think I will ask my TCM practioner about taking the Stone Free. What about drinking peppermint tea? I have got peppermint stuck in my head from some where! I will try the Boldo tea....the local health food store is out of stock right now. What is Boldo any how ? Thanks again,
|Posted on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 05:30 pm: |
I first heard about boldo from a South American herbalist who cured her son of HIV that he contracted after losing his virginity with a prostitute in Spain, this on a dare from other college students. She was astonished I hadn't heard of it and gave me a little bit. What was so remarkable is that it retained its aroma for so many years. What else can I say? It's a Chilean herb.
|Posted on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 11:52 pm: |
I am really enjoying your sight. I am in the middle of a flush now. I have had 3 severe attacks since early Sept. Gallstones showed up on an untrasound, and I was advised to have my gallbladder removed after the second episode. I
do not want to go that route, and I am counting on the power of prayer,flushes, and diet to make me well. I have agreed to a hyda-scan next week to see how my liver/gallbladder are functioning.
Now, for my question: Does the cleanse/flush
help the pancreas. While studying the gallbladder, it came to my attention that my attacks may involve the pancreas. I have
had the high chest pains, across both sides of my rib cage, and through to my shoulders and back (following the attack the right side is what remains so tender). Being in my 40's ER Doctors first ruled out heart problems, then when the ultrasound detected gallstones that became my official diagnosis. As I discussed some of my findings with the specialist re:continued problems after removal,he said that it is usually either 1.misdiagnosis or 2.underdiagnosis. Believing my pancreas may be involved too, I seek your input. Thank you!
|Posted on Saturday, October 05, 2002 - 02:58 pm: |
Several people have felt that the pancreas is involved and that it resolves after a series of flushes. I rely on the input of others since, as I've said, I haven't ever passed a stone the way some of you do. I am, however, working on a theory that the energetics here are that people of the water type or whose diets and life styles aggravate the water element (hormones, sweets, dairy products, devitalized food, etc.) have problems throughout the digestive system, not just liver and gall bladder but pancreas and very likely intestines as well.
Part of the problem may be high copper, low zinc -- I have started an article in the main part of the site:
|Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:19 am: |
I have gall bladder attacks that usually are not painful but involve what feels like a drop in blood pressure, tightening sensations in my upper abdomen, and repeated bowel movements, often with loose stools. An ultrasound revealed three gall stones, about 1/4". I'd like to try a flush but am concerned about the possible effects on my blood pressure, as it's normally low (90/60) and it's quite frightening when I feel light-headed during the gall bladder episodes. Has anyone had this problem and done a flush safely and successfully?
|Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 03:20 pm: |
Good question. I suspect, however, that you'd get through a flush quite quickly and easily whereas the other symptoms seem to be recurrent and potentially more distressing than the flush.
The loose stools are not really consistent with gall stones, i.e., not a consequence of them so I would look for a separate explanation.
|Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 05:17 pm: |
I am doing a gall bladder flush for the first time this weekend. Instruction from my homoeopath, who said I should take cloudy apple juice for 4 days, in between meals, ie on an empty stomach, mixed with organic cider vinegar, a capful per glassful. On the fifth day, have lunch as normal, then at 3pm take a tablespoon of epsom salts in half a cup of warm water. Take some citrus, lemon or grapefruit juice afterwards (helps with the taste. Repeat one hour later, then again 2 hours later. (It is now about 6pm). Have a supper of fresh grapefruit. Before bedtime, take half a cup of organic olive oil combined with citrus juice, then go to bed and lie on your right side for at least 20 minutes. In the morning you should be able to pass the stones easily.
I have not yet got to the part of taking the oil, which I now understand to be the lubrication for the stones to pass through with ease. I have taken all the epsom salts drinks and I have had such terrible gurgling, and so many visits to the loo. I have passed so much fluid, via the rectum, practically no urine, sorry to be graphic, tummy gurgles then a fullness feeling and a dash to the loo. I certainly hope this is not how it will be for the night..... I shall also sip the oil/citrus mix with a straw as recommended by many on the notice board above.
Thank you for this information. I am doing this flush because my 'spare tyre' has got so large, it is bigger than my bust, almost! It is uncomfortable but not so much so, that I have gone to my GP about it or even the hospital (I live in London). If what the entries above say, and I have a full bladder of stones, then I may have to repeat this about 3 times, yuck. I shall let you know how I get on.
|Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 12:31 am: |
Good luck! We await with suspense the sequel to this cliff hanger!
|Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 05:29 am: |
Well, Ingrid. It is now 10.20 am and nothing has happened... I spent a reasonable night in bed. couple of times to the loo only to pass fluid and mucus. Still nothing has happened. I made the oil and citrus mixture with grapefruit juice and I have passed the grapefruit bits in the liquid. I am concerned that maybe I should have done it with lemon juice, and that also I may be dehydrating, so during the night I drank about half a litre of water at various times. If nothing continues to happen, what should I do, should i repeat the whole process, should I resume eating normally or what?????
This morning an instinctive gut reaction said to eat something to get things moving. On re-reading my instructions, it said have a light diet of fruit and vegetables and yoghurt etc. So I have eaten a banana with yoghurt. Had a few gurglings, thats all. Also a friend reminded me of the gall bladder reflex point on the hand between thumb and first finger, that I should rub for a while, which I did, and got a few more gurglings.
If nothing happens today, should I just forget it and resume life normally or should I repeat the whole process from the beginning, although the epsom salts cleaned me out so dramatically, should I just re-do the oil and mix it with lemon. We have a little bit of fear creeping in here, like should i go to the GP, and what will they end up doing. Help!
|Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 11:41 pm: |
Some people have a delayed response. If you reread some of the archived posts plus what is still on the board, you will see a few tales similar to yours. Unfortunately, I do not have a lot of experience with some of the variations people are reporting on this board. I never know whether to encourage innovation or stick to what is tried and true. Sometimes, we hear of things that seemed to work just as well and other times, we wonder. For the sake of others, I hope you will continue to report, but my advice is generally to follow the instructions that have worked for others.
|Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 10:51 am: |
I have been perusing the many, many pages of information here and am feeling more than a bit overwhelmed. I was told 2 1/2 years ago that I had gallstones (after the birth of my second child, I had to have an ultrasound due to some abdominal pain). I have never had a gallstone attack. I have no idea how many gallstones were found. I have been a yo yo dieter, and my understanding is that can contribute to attacks.
Anyway, I am wondering if I take the Stone Free is that enough? Do I still need to do the flush? Thanks.
|Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 02:24 pm: |
Thank you for your replies, Ingrid. I appreciate the contact. In the end I decided that I would re-do the flush, at noon, UK time. I took the oil mixed with the juice of 3 lemons. I rested with my knees up and then went back to bed and rested most of the afternoon.
Then around 4pm I felt so queasy, I vomited. Something was working because I had vomited up quite a bit of bile. Eventually I calmed down, made a hot water bottle for comfort and went back to bed. Gurglings came and went. Stayed in bed the whole time. At around 7pm I felt bright and alert and very hungry, so after pottering around the house, made myself a bowl of vegetable soup, it went down a treat. At about 10.30 I ate an apple. Then sleep time. Amazingly enough I slept really quite well.
Awoke around 5 am, visited the bathroom, nothing. Back to bed. Re-awoke at 6.45 and passed solids that I can only presume to be softened 'peas' 'en masse', forming a stool but no 'peas' as in gall stones, albeit soft ones. I felt fine. Wondered about whether I had wasted my time and energy or not, don't think I have.
Later in the morning, I spoke to my homoeopath. She said that my system was of a very sluggish nature in any case, and so watch out for the next few days. As I was feeling ok, I have done no harm to myself at all. So that is what I will do and report back later in the week, unless anything dramatic happens.
Thanks for being there. It HAS been a great help to me.
|Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:56 am: |
Basically, the Stone Free is a very simple way to approach the issue, but what many do not quite seem to understand is that whereas the flush is essentially a procedure that lubricates in such a way as to dislodge and mobilize stones, the tablets are more systemic in action. They tend to emulsify fatty deposits so people could notice that lumps under the skin and congestion in various parts of the body tend to soften and liquefy until they move. In plain language, this means that there could be more discharge in many parts of the body. In fact, most people report significant flooding, usually a short-term occurrence that is regarded with a measure of fondness.
Energetically, what is happening is that stagnant water is melted to the point that it becomes liquid and mobile.
|Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:57 am: |
We will wait!
|Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 08:44 pm: |
I am now taking the parasite medicine. Can I take Stone Free at the same time? Also, can I do a liver flush while I am taking the parasite medicine? Thanks, Blueduck
|Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 08:45 pm: |
I did not mean that I am NOT taking the parasite medicine.......I meant that I am NOW taking it! Sorry for the inconvienence.
|Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 12:30 pm: |
The more formulas you take at one time, the more messages you are giving to the body to deal with a problem. You are also pushing the body to deal with the condition more swiftly so there is always a question of where the optimal line should be drawn. However, since some parasites actually enter some gall stones, dealing with both situations simultaneously has some interesting ramifications. Also, it is likely that the sooner you do the flush, the easier the rest of the job will be whereas the longer you take the herbs, the easier the flush will be. Basically, since no one experienced is supervising you or assessing the seriousness of either condition, you kind of have to make a judgment call yourself.
Let us know what you decide and how it works.