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There have literally been hundreds of posts to this thread. The first post was on July 6, 2000. Posts from that date through April 26, 2002, have been archived in the main section of Kitchen Doctor. The subsequent posts are found under Gall Bladder Flush, Parts IV-VIII. The ability to add to the Part VII has been removed, but Part VIII is now open. The subtopic "feeling Better" is still open. Visitors are encouraged to read the main pages on Kitchen Doctor before posting to the board.

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sstanway
Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 06:47 pm:   

Morning Ingrid,

I have tried the flush, unfortunately with no results. I have had my second ultra-sound which showed a 7mm stone lodged in the tube and thickening of the walls of the gall baladder and tube. I have also had two more attacks, one while trying the oil. I am booked in for surgery on the 24/6/03. I wish there was an alternative, unfortunately for me it doesn't seem to work.

Thanks
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trevor ockenden
Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 06:42 am:   

Goodaye Ingrid

I have had an ultrasound and from this I have been told I have a 1.7cm gall stone. I have only had 3, not too painful attacks in the past 6 months.

Is this gall stone too large to try the Stone Free followed by the Flush? Will it hurt to try the Flush straight away?

Cheers
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Ingrid
Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 01:16 am:   

Sometimes, if the stone is lodged, you need to create a spasm. This is why some people try Epsom salts before the flush. However, for the same reason, I really prefer a conservative approach: Stone Free, apple juice, then the flush. In the meantime, I conferred with some colleagues. One said the effect of the olive oil and lemon is cumulative in that it keeps moving masses from the liver.

All I can say is that the doctor does not seem alarmed if the surgery is scheduled for more than three weeks from the diagnosis. This gives time to try anything and everything, including diets that are easy on the liver and gall bladder.

I added a new Ayurvedic tonic to the store today, a liver tonic that also supports the gall bladder. When you eat the apples and drink the apple juice, the stones tend to soften and move which is why despite what many have written, I still prefer to plan the flush for after trying the other things.

As for the size of stones flushed, take a look at the pictures in the main part of the site! Many of you are reading the bulletin board, looking at experiences of others but skipping the homework!

http://www.kitchendoctor.com/healthconditions/gallstones/gallbladder.html

Best wishes.
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Anne Scotland
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 10:33 am:   

My husband is suspected of having gall stones and, after discovering your site, we decided to try the flush. It was out intention to have him drink plenty apple juice for a week or so but, after another painful attack that morning, we did the flush that day. He kept the mixture down all right and, other than a bit of queasiness, had no problems. However, his next three bowel movements seemed normal enough and I could find no obvious stones. What do they look like? Are they hard, or a different colour? We are going to wait and see if he has another attack and, if so, we may try the flush again. I would appreciate if someone could tell me what to look for in the motions.
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Ingrid
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 05:56 pm:   

On the home page of this site as well as the pages with the text on the gall bladder, there is an image of a surgically removed gall bladder in which the stones are visible.

The main stones are either cholesterol stones (white) or bile stones (greenish-black) but many people pass stones of other colors, especially orange. A few people have passed stones that have liver flukes in them.

It's very hard to discuss this delicately so I won't try too hard. If you really want to find the stones, you need a strainer and running water. Once you have captured the waste product, you can wash away everything except the stones (and parasites, if they are there, too.) Without using this method, you might miss the stones because they would be hidden in the rest of the waste material. After enduring the flush, it's hard not to be curious . . .

Good luck to your husband.
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Anne, Scotland
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 06:36 pm:   

Thanks so much for your reply. Having never looked so closely at this material, I am unsure what is normal waste. There were smallish lumps which were the same colour as the rest of the waste and which were the consistency of modelling clay, i.e. neither soft nor hard but firmer than the rest and which could be extracted relatively easily. However, when left out to dry, they didn't harden up so I assume they were not stones. I did find something which looked like a melon seed but my husband swears he hadn't eaten melon for ages! I agree it's quite a disgusting job but, having taken the decision to do the flush, I was eager to know if it had been successful. Incidentally, as we breed sheep, I would recognise liver flukes but would they still be alive! Yuk!
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Ingrid
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 06:17 pm:   

Sometimes the flukes live through this . . .

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Catherine
Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 07:10 pm:   

Hi,
I am in the midst of doing a flush right now. I have one gallstone (8mm) and have had 3 very painful attacks in the last 4 months. I have already drank 2 rounds of the epsom salt and I'm preparing myself for the olive oil. I'm scared though, and would like someone to support me thru this process. So please, if anyone reads this and would like to help me thru, please just
e-mail me at CRZH60@yahoo.com Thank You
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henny
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 10:42 am:   

Hi.
My name is Henny and I am a Dutchman and came across this website. Recently at an echo at the hospital there have been found many small gallstones in the gall bladder. My doctor suggests removal of the gallbladder as the only alternative to get rid of my chronic stomach pains which have lasted for many many years.
I am not enthusiastic about an operation as it does not take a way the mechanism in my body that's causing the making of gallstones.

In my search for alternatives I came across this website. I read a lot on the web about the so-called gallbladder cleansing where you force the gallbladder by an immense attack of olive oil (fat) to release its stones.
I doubt a lot if that is so good for my body.

So my questions are:
- what are the risks involved with a gall bladder cleansing
- if it is so helpful as many say why is it not standard procedure in the " normal" medical
world?
- what are other alternatives for me to prevent an operation and to get rid of the gallstones?

For instance: I read about the tablets stonefree. Do they help for my problem?
But are they available in the Netherlands?
Are there other alternatives like a diet or anything else?

Thanks for all your help and suggestions.
I appreciate it!
You can email me too at:
veel@gmx.net


Henny
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Ingrid
Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 11:11 am:   

Henny,

If you read what others have written, you will see a number of variations in approach, almost all of which were successful.

Stone Free can be shipped to Holland.

Good luck!
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Henny
Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 06:51 am:   

Ingrid

Thanks for your short reply. Not all my questions are answered.
But I assume by referring to the success of variations in the gallbladderflush that in your opinion there are no risks involved with doing a gallbladderflush?

But to tell you the truth I would prefer to get rid of the gallstones without a gallbladderflush (and no surgery if possible).

Is that possible? And if so, how?

Thanks for your help in answering my questions.
Greetings,

Henny
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Ingrid
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:05 am:   

We can ship the Stone Free to Holland!
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henny
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:32 am:   

Ingrid,
thanks for your reply.
So your suggestion of sending the stonefree tablets would help me to get rid of the gallstones , right?
Will I have to eat the stonefree tablets forever or just for a while until the problems are over

greetings,

Henny
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Ingrid
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:05 am:   

Henny,

What people with gall stone problems need to understand is that there is a metabolic problem contributing to the formation of stones. Some people have a lifelong tendency to form stones. My observation is that when the gall bladder is removed, the stones simply form in other "depositories" in the body so the surgery for fibroids comes a few years after the surgery for gall stones. There is nothing inherent in the surgical procedure that corrects the underlying problem.

A few people only form stones when under extreme stress. During a particularly rugged time in life, they formed stones, but when life adjusted, they stopped forming the stones. These people will not require Stone Free or any comparable product once their lives are back to normal. However, the others probably will tend to rely on Stone Free because it makes their lives more bearable.
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Tommie
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:47 pm:   

I bought the Boldo tea as suggested in your article; however, when I received it, it says not to take if you have gall stones. Can you explain this?
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Ingrid
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:41 pm:   

No. I have even phoned people who are putting this label on boldo to ask why. Every study I have ever seen specifically recommends boldo for this purpose. I have looked for months for a single reference to the contrary and even asked to speak with the researchers at companies that are affixing this label. No one has provided an explanation.
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Tommie
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 04:04 am:   

At one website I found the following reference for the warning; however, I couldn't find the text when I searched.
1. Blumenthal M, Goldberg A & Brinckmann J (eds): Herbal Medicine, Expanded Commission E Monographs, 1st ed. Integrative Medicine Communications, Newton, MA; 2000.
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Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 10:12 am:   

Hi All

I think this web site is great. I suffered w/gall stne attacks for abut two years before I checked Michio Kushi's "Macrobiotc Home Remedies" being Macrobiotic(somewhat, latey)

To stop a gall stone attack in progress drink a glass of hot apple juice w/two table spoons of apple cidar vinegar, followed by a ginger compress. Grate some fresh ginger and place in a cheese cloth and steep until the water is dark brown. Dip towels in a place over gall bladder, constantly replacing to keep hot BUT NO LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES SINCE A GINGER COMPRESS MAKES CANCER CELLS GROW FASTER IF PRESENT. This will usually stop an attack in about 20 minutes to a half hour.

Good luck, Bob
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:38 am:   

I recetly had a test done on my liver which turned out fine but found I had a gall-stone. I am going to do the three day fast and then the olive oil. My question is I have heard reference to using epson salt as part of the treatment. Why and when is epson salt used? Is there a specific symptom which epson salt should be used for? I read the page on the treatment for gall blader stone but did not see any reference to epson salt. Please advise
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Ingrid
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 05:26 pm:   

First, on boldo. As I have said many times, boldo is traditionally used precisely for gall bladder and gall stone trouble. Therefore, the labeling that states it should be avoided is confusing . . . So, I have been asking around, and the closest anyone has to an explanation is that were someone with a very large stone to rely exclusively on boldo for relief, there is a chance that the stone would dislodge and create a blockage requiring surgical intervention. This is the argument always used by those who base their concerns on theory rather than clinical experience.

In talking to one very well known, high profile herbalist, the opinion offered was that if boldo were an adjunctive remedy, like a tea, to a more comprehensive protocol or if it merely constituted one ingredient in a formula that contained significant amounts of other herbs that break up the stones (or emulsify them), it would be perfectly safe.

In an absolute worst case scenario, someone could ingest enormous amounts of concentrated boldo and cause the gall bladder to disgorge a stone, however, this is not the correct way to use boldo. I have recommended boldo for years as a carminative to relieve gas and promote gastric "contentment." However, I suspect, we should pay attention to the warnings and not use boldo as a stand-alone treatment nor in high dosages.
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Ingrid
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 05:30 pm:   

Epsom salts reduce spasm and the pain of spasm. Some people rush the flush and try to accomplish a lot without any prior preparation, such as a gall bladder formula that reduces the size of stones. If the gall bladder goes into spasm as a way of expelling the stones, the Epsom salts will ease the spasm. I know people who always use Epsom salts, some who never use them, and some who occasionally use them.
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 12:57 am:   

Hi All

I wanted to add that after one does the flush, itis necesary to create downwad energy in the body to expel the stnes. This is done with Kukicha twig tea(it is the same plant we get green tea from(the leaves of the plant-more yin) but instead,it is the roots and stems which are like twigs. Like any roots, they are much more yang and have a contracting effect. But the downward energy comes from placing one teaspoon of Shoyu(high grade soy sauce) in the tea AFTER it is steeped as opposed t pouring the brewed tea OVER the shoyu causng upward energy. Once youplae the shoyu in the brewd tea, DO NOT stir i, just drink in down. You can do two cups if needed. whithin minutes you will begin to pass gas and eventually a bowel movement.

When I first heard of this many years ago, I scoffed at the fact that when you put the shoyu in the tea before or after would have any effect whatsoever. Yet it works every time and is amazing. It is also great for trapped gas and constipation.

Good luck everybody
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Anonymous
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:34 pm:   

I had been having gallbladder pain for about a month and did the apple juice for five days, olive oil/lemon juice/ epsom salts flush and have not had any pain in gallbladder area since, but I do have pain in my lower right side now, where my appendics are. Do you know why?
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Ingrid
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:38 pm:   

Did you pass stones? nothing visible?

Have you considered parasites? a liver condition?

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Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 08:59 pm:   

Hi. I am a 26 yr old female from Australia. I am not overweight, (if anything, I am underweight), am very fit and generally have a good diet. A week ago, I had a very painful attack and ended up in hospital on morphine and a drip. An ultrasound dignosed a gallbladder full of gallstones and doc's orders are "Gall bladder removal"! Funny thing is that I have never had any problems with any foods, ate what I wanted in any quantity. This has come out of nowhere and I am really @#$%!@. I am very hesitant to go to surgery and am currently handling mild discomfort under the ribcage with a diet of fruit and veges and low fat food. Just thought I'd sign on and keep you posted with the remedies that I will try! Talk to you soon. D
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:21 am:   

Hello Ingrid,

First of all I'd like to thank you for the VERY helpful info. Well, let me go straight to my case. It might sound weird. During the summer I decided to lose some weight. I put myself on a veg and fruit diet with lots of exercise. The results were remarkable, I even lowered my cholesterol dramatically in a very short period and the doctor was amazed (from 283 to 187 in 30 days).
Well, here is the bad part. I started to have the gallbladder pain (4 attacks in 2 weeks), two of them were really severe. I did the ultrasound thing and the result was abnormal but strange in the mean time. No typical stones rather that sludge thing; the doctor described it to me like "mud", the gallbladder was a bit inflammated to the max normal. The blood work was fine, no infection. The liver functions were good too.

I did some reading and found out that is due to the amount of cholesterol I lost in a very short period and the low-calorie diet I am on.

The surgeon advised on changing the diet a bit by taking a cup of milk (not skim) with every meal until we see if no improvement, they will remove my gallbladder. I don't want to do so and think it can be cleaned especially after I came across this site.

I have a few questions that I really appreciate it if you have time to answer'em.

1) Now, i don't have typical stones only sludge. Can I go directly to the flush thing without fasting on apple juice as I understand the fasting is for making it easier?

2) I read about the cold compressed olive oil that I have to use, can't I use regular extra virgin oil like those found in supermarkets?

3) If flush is the cure for me, which one do you suggest, the lemon and olive oil one without anything else like those salts?

4) I heard about the radish thing but have no idea, is it another flush? how can I use that if it is of any help?

Thanks a lot for taking the time to read my post.
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Ingrid
Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 06:15 pm:   

I have been hearing that certain kinds of dieting can cause gall bladder problems. I suggest people be as well-informed as possible before jumping feet first into something. This goes for the flush.

So far as the type of oil used, it should be cold pressed because oil is sensitive to heat. Therefore the method used to separate the oil from the olives (or sesame seeds or whatever) should not cause the machinery to heat up. This has nothing to do with whether or not the olive oil is extra virgin, simply what kind of processing was involved. In addition, oil is sensitive to light so should never be bottled in transparent glass bottles. Now, tell me how many oils you can find in the supermarket that meet these demands? The other oils are simply inferior.

Let us know what you try and how it works.
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Barb Russ
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 06:32 pm:   

Hello.. I was told I had acid reflux desease until I went in for an ultrasound and they now say I have gall stones. I have been in the emergency room about 4 times when my attacks have occured. It is very painful. I am thinking about trying the flush here soon. I would rather not have anything removed... Wish me luck and I do the same to all of you...
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Ingrid
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:23 pm:   

I wish you luck! and success, but read the articles in the main part of the site first!
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Barb Russ
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 03:44 pm:   

Well I went to my doctor today and he says I have to have it removed... I can keep it for awhile but a stone can eventually get lodged and the pain I have felt but had gone away will stay and then I have to have an emergency operation.....I want to trust my doctor, but why would he tell me there is no other options??????
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Anonymous
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 12:25 pm:   

Hi Ingrid,

I did my flush last night. I managed to get 1.75 cup of oil with about 0.75 cup of lemon. I did lie down and went to sleep on my right side. Since morning, I feel nausea and don't have urge to go to the bathroom. Yet, I had one bowel movement with some greenish pea-like elements (as expected). But I don't have that bathroom urge people talk about. Also, I still feel nausea and a full stomach. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks a lot!
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Ingrid
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 04:48 am:   

Some people take longer to pass everything than others. If you force a spasm, the gall bladder will empty faster but it won't be as comfortable. Give it a little more time.
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Ingrid
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 04:49 am:   

For Barb,

Most likely your doctor has never heard of the flush and doesn't therefore know of an alternative to what he was taught in medical school.
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Lynda Finn
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 10:49 pm:   

I'd like to suggest people read up on Chelidonium which is a homeopathic tincture used for gall bladder problems. I understand it is very effective.
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Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 02:59 am:   

Hi everybody,

I did a flush about a week ago, since then I didn't have any of those unbearable gall bladder attacks. Yet, since the flush I experience gas troubles every night. I pass foul-smell gas. I didn't have that symptom before. Any thoughts? Is that a normal consequence of the flush? any body had a similar experience?
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Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 04:01 pm:   

I just want to add on the last post; that is mine. Today, I had a mild attack but what is strange about it is that it is the first time ever to have an attack not at bedtime. No unusual food or anything that might cause that attack. Also, I felt a kind of contactions. What do you think? Any help will be appreciatd.
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Ingrid
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 01:04 pm:   

Try some probiotics for the flatulence.
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Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 05:20 pm:   

I have had intermittent increasingly severe pain for two or three years and a scan revealed a full expanded gall bladder even after I did a flush. I spent the night of the flush lying on the bathroom floor and although I have tried to do another one I haven't been able to keep the oil down.
I am on my fourth bottle of stone free but am now suffering with chronic discomfort along the top of my stomach with occasional niggling pain under my right breast. What do you think is happening?I had a very uncomfortable weekend recently and the although I have held off from the idea of surgery I have now been referred to a surgeon.
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Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 01:39 pm:   

Hi,
I do not have gallstones or sludge (3 ultrasounds over a period of 4 years, plus CT scans for something else haven't revealed any) but I have terrible "gallbladder type" pain. In May of this year, I had a HIDA scan that showed 21% ejection fraction. The CCK injection made me feel sick. I know there are others who have stones and even lower ejection fractions. I have been taking Stone Free regularly (2 tablets three times per day) for about 16 days. I have not had to take any pain medications after taking it for 2 days---I went from writhing in pain every day with these "attacks" to now having a waxing and waning "disagreeable" feeling under my right ribcage and to my back. Anyhow, my question is this: Can I improve my gallbladder ejection fraction, therefore helping the pain? In my case, since I am not trying to break up stones in my gallbladder, but get it to work better, how long should I take Stone Free? Thank you for all the great info!
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Ingrid
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:57 pm:   

Greetings,

I just came back from a few weeks in Europe where I had the opportunity to look at the blood of a lot of patients being seen in a clinic. Almost without exception, we found parasites of one type or another, many difficult to identify and interpret. We developed protocols for addressing these.

I am writing this in reference to those who have sensations that are not being interpreted satisfactorily by ultrasounds and other tests. It is the opinion of most specialists in parasitology that periodic vermifuges or vermicides would be helpful. This would be particularly helpful when the sensations are inconsistent and routine tests fail to reveal any causes.

To improve gall bladder function, the second question, one can take bitter herbs. According to the Chinese and Ayurvedic traditions, bitters stimulate the production of bile. This bile aids digestion and kills parasites. We have many bitter formulas. Perhaps I will find time to write something about it over this weekend.
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Anonymous
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 02:46 am:   

Hi. For those suffering with gall bladder pain, here's my story in hopes that it might help you. Back in March this year I had to go to the emergency room with what turned out to be gall bladder pain. The sonagram showed the stones and the doctors said I would probably have to have surgery. Naturally I tried to avoid it by researching the problem on the internet looking for alternatives. I found this sight and took the Stone Free tablets and did 2 successful flushes. I expelled many of the green stones, which I was happy to accomplish in hopes that I'd get better. The stones were jade green looking pebbles or clumps. They were not hard as stones should be, but more like soft jelly beans. I think the Stone Free may have softened them. The doctor said they looked like stones but would normally be hard. Anyway, I didn't get better. The pain became more frequent and would come back after eating. The gall bladder disease began affecting my upper stomach and was causing pain there too. I finally had to go to a surgeon who after an examination said I really needed the surgery or risk damaging other organs. At that point I believed him and scheduled the surgery. The surgery was easy since I was under anesthesia the whole time and I experienced hardly any pain. It was Laparoscopic surgery where they just make 4 small incisions to remove the diseased gall bladder. They said mine was infected. I also had to have a 2nd procedure the next day to remove stones from the common bile duct. I believe the flushing may have contributed to that by moving stones to the bile duct that would not have been there otherwise and would've stayed in the bladder where they would've been removed with the bladder surgery. That was more uncomfortable than the surgery, but went okay. Afterward I felt fine and my stomach pain went away. About 4 days after the surgery, I was feeling almost normal and getting around fine, walking and driving. And I've felt good ever since, with better appetite and now I can eat things that used to bother me. Only difference I've noticed is that bowel movements are a little more urgent, but not really a problem. I appreciate the good intentions of this site and it is informative, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have suffered for 4 months or done the flushes. I would listen to my doctor and get it over with. I haven't seen others posting stories about their surgery here, just those who are trying to avoid it as I was. So I thought I'd share my experience, in hopes that it will ease your fears. I was concerned about the money because I had no insurance, but they let me set up payments which were affordable for me. So there is a way to get it done even without insurance. So if you have to have it done, don't be scared of the surgery. Having the gall bladder pain is much worse.
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Ingrid
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:41 pm:   

For the record, no posts have been deleted so the reason there are few posts addressing surgery is that most people either had the surgery before learning about the flush or the flush worked for them. In your case, it would appear that there was, in fact, a complication; but it's hard to tell what caused it. The important thing is that you are fine now.

This said, the purpose of the site and the bulletin board is not to advise but rather to share. You have shared your experience and others have shared theirs. All I might add is that some people had to flush many, many times before all the stones were removed. Others had parasitic involvement (which can contribute to infection) and needed to address both the stones and the parasites. Since it's impossible to know the full extent of the complications, consulting doctors and other health care providers is always the safest way to proceed.

Stay well.
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Anonymous
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 05:56 pm:   

Thanks to anonymous Oct 30. You describe my symptoms for the past three years. I have tried just about everything but have been quite poorly over the past six weeks. I am now not eating anything with over 1g fat per 100g or I am unwell. I had the same experience as yourself when I did the flush, passing soft green lumps, but I had not taken Stone Free at that time. A scan proved my gall bladder was still full of stones after the flush and I can't keep the oil down to do it again, though I have tried. I have nearly finished a course of Stone Free and am receiving healing from a local healer who has had success with gallbladder patients, but I am waiting for an appointment with a surgeon. I have heard so many stories of gall bladder operations, and post op problems, that I am relieved to read your account. Thank you.
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Ingrid
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:02 pm:   

To bring some balance here, there are two types of stones: cholesterol stones (whitish) and bile stones (greenish-black). It would appear that some people are not expelling the cholesterol stones using the methods they have tried. Stone Free happens to work better on these than the bile stones because one of the main ingredients in Stone Free is turmeric, which is a fat emulsifier. This said, I know people who had to do the flush 6-7 times before all the stones and sludge were dredged out. A few people have had to induce a mild amount of spasm to force the gall bladder to surrender its hoard. Then, even if the gall bladder is emptied, it can fill up again so there is a steady flow of stones, often for many weeks or months.

In my view, there are simply people who are poor metabolizers of fat. Sometimes, there is an inhibiting factor: toxic metals such as mercury, infections, parasites, or impossible to digest foods, such as those that are microwaved. Reheated food is also very difficult to digest. A few people who had lifelong problems corrected them after removing the aggravants and flushing repeatedly, often every two weeks. So, while there may be skepticism in some quarters, the other side of this issue is that many people who suffered chronically are totally fine after discovering this simple flush. Many others have been encouraged by their well-being to undertake other health improvements so while I never discourage consulting a physician, I want to point out two things: (1) the liver-gall bladder flush was not included in the curriculum of your MDs medical school, and (2) removing the gall bladder does not correct the metabolism. All it does is remove the storage depot for unmetabolized food. Once the favored depot is gone, another will be sought . . . so it is my observation that while there is always short-term enthusiasm for gall bladder procedures, this subsides when there is a recommendation for a second or a third operation on the new depots. Usually, the uterus is the next to go, but the relationship is overlooked because this procedure often occurs many years after the loss of the gall bladder.

Still, because I look at the situation energetically rather than allopathically, I am convinced of the fact that failure to address the basic causes will merely result in a different complication down the road. Therefore, I provide the information I do so that those who seek to have more control and jurisdiction over their own bodies find options they can consider -- and then, of course, take or leave as they see fit. It is not my task to convince, merely to offer insights based on my life experiences.
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Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 06:30 pm:   

Thank you Ingrid. Obviously I would prefer to deal with the stones without surgery but I can't keep the oil and lemon juice down a second time. Do you think it would have the same effect if I took it with tomato juice? That seems to make it more palatable.
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Ingrid
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 07:11 pm:   

Most people drink Classic Coke, but I personally find such a recommendation disgusting, but it works for those with wobbly stomachs.
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 06:34 pm:   

Would cider vinegar work instead of lemon juice?
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 06:48 pm:   

I have not yet finished my course of stone free but wish to do another flush before seeing the surgeon on 27th. As I suffer with low blood sugar I don't want to risk passing out at work or while driving while doing the three day apple juice fast. Can I have anything else besides apple juice?
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Pam Henderson
Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:28 am:   

May be a double post, can't find my first one. Love your site !! Rundown..gb surgery after 12 hrs of pain, didn't even know I had gallbladder probs, wanted the pain gone-would never have done it had I discovered sites like this prior to it. Six weeks ago after various digestive probs (got on plant enzymes and they did help) I start having same exact pains. Talked to several people who had gb surgery w/ same experience except they underwent surgery again. Aparently it's pretty common for stones to be left behind w/ lap surgery. great. Lab tests indicate stones, am scheduled for a HIDA, but my gut (haha) tells me it's stones. The question: I've ordered Stone Free and want to try the flush. Not having a gb will not pose a problem will it? Figured worst case is barfing and diarrea from the olive oil. Surgery will be a last case scenario. The Stone Free seems very non-evasive and I do want them softened first. I will add that I've tried a organic beet/lemon juice/olive oil concoction that is working. Do you see a prob w/ this? I'm committed to handling this without the surgery. Thanks.
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Babs
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 02:59 pm:   

I wrote on Nov 17 that I was worried about doing the apple juice fast. I don't have a juicer but put apples in the food processor and added a little water. Amazingly I felt quite ok for the three days.
I did the flush this weekend. I did one a year ago using l pt olive oil and 8/9 lemons. I was so ill. I thought I'd never be able to do another one, though I tried.
This time after reading the info on this site I used just half pt avocado oil (couldn't face olive oil again) and just two lemons. I took the mixture through a straw with coke and later with orange juice. It took 4 and a half hours to get it down. I did feel quite poorly for about twenty minutes during the night when my heart raced and I sweated profusely but it was definitely easier than last time.
I passed quite a few green 'peas' and one flecked browny beigy large bean shaped thing I hope is a cholestoral stone. (only noticed green ones last time)
Plan to take them along to the surgeon on Thursday for confirmation.
I wonder whether a dose of salts would have washed out more stones?
Will continue with Stone Free and do another flush in a couple of weeks. Hopefully I may still avoid surgery.
Thanks so much to Ingrid and everyone who has taken the time to write their experiences here. I would never have done the flush again if I hadn't come across this site.
Babs
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Anne
Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 05:08 pm:   

I wrote back in June after my husband had tried the flush, seemingly without much success. After another painful attack, we did it again, with no particular results. Shortly after this, my husband was taken to hospital with acute jaundice. He didn't have much pain. The hospital were sure it was a gallstone stuck in the bile duct but a CT and MRI scan ruled this out. After being on a drip for a few days, his jaundice seemed to clear. However, since then (the beginning of September) he has had to drink several litres extra fluid a day to keep the jaundice from returning, which it does if he cuts down on his fluid intake. Have you any suggestions what could be causing his jaundice? Could he have passed a stone at some time which caused damage and, if so, how long would you expect it to take before the jaundice would clear? No-one seems particularly concerned about him but this is obviously not ideal. Do parasites show up on an MRI scan?
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Babs
Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 08:18 pm:   

Very disheartened. Just a few days after doing the flush and still only eating less than 3% fat with most things fat free, had another bout of pain. Pity I didn't do this years ago before things got so bad. Think it's too late now.
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Ingrid
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 11:42 am:   

I am concerned that many people are self-diagnosing or attempting to do the flush without preparation.

There are so many questions and issues here.

Parasites do not show on radiological exams so they are missed even though they are sometimes large enough to see without the aid of a microscope. They are capable of causing any number of different types of symptoms, including acute pain, diarrhea, chemical and personality imbalances, anemia, malnutrition, and a host of other problems. While some might be flushed out with an aggressive purge, many are fully capable of withstanding the oil.

Therefore, in some cases, it would be better to try a parasite protocol rather than many unproductive flushes.

Most people who are struggling hard without results would be well-advised to seek some additional diagnostics and outside support. Obviously, many are trying to avoid surgery, but getting information is not inconsistent with natural approaches to wellness.

I have just come back from three weeks of consulting at a clinic in Europe. We found parasites in the blood of all but two patients. None of this would preclude the existence of other parasites nor would it prove it. All I am suggesting is that many people are probably harboring unwelcome guests.
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Anne
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 05:52 am:   

Thanks for your comments. I agree it is dangerous to self-diagnose but in my husband's case we have reached the end of the line with conventional treatment. He has been told that nothing can be seen and all blood tests are showing normal levels of bilirubin etc, yet the jaundice remains, albeit controlled by increased fluid intake. What would you suggest regarding tackling possible parasites? Can you supply the medicine required? Working with cattle it is perfectly possible that he could have liver fluke in particular, as we dose cattle regularly for this.
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Ingrid
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 07:32 pm:   

Anne,

It's better to handle these questions through a private consultation, but if your husband works with cattle, some exposure to parasites would be par for the course.
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Ingrid Naiman
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Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 12:01 pm:   

This thread is now continued as Part VIII

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