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kara
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 10:44 pm: | |
08/08/00.
Hello,
It has been suggested to me that the bothersome
sharp tingling,that occurs around my upper spinal colum (right shoulder blade) is a kundalini energy disruption of sorts, can anyone kindly elaborate on this topic.
With appreciation.
Sincerely : Kara
e-mail : botanicals@attcanada.net |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 01:44 am: | |
Dear Kara,
Kundalini energy is a current of the feminine power reaching towards the light. It cannot ascend properly until all the chakras are open. Each chakra is responsive to particular psychological and physical conditions so that movement through the chakra is affected by the issues attached to that chakra. Premature efforts to raise the kundalini irritates the chakras that have not been cleared in preparation for the movement of the kundalini. Ergo, deliberate efforts to raise the kundalini are potentially harmful and painful. More importantly, they tend to be futile because the energy will not stabilize.
However, in your case, the affected area is the shoulder blade and this suggests a possible pinched nerve rather than a kundalini problem. |
sherry oglesby
| | Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:20 pm: | |
I wonder what you all think of kundalini yoga.
I am doing it and find it very beneficial. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 10:30 pm: | |
Many things are called kundalini yoga that are not really "kundalini yoga" and many teachers of kundalini yoga are completely unqualified to teach it, but if you are practicing under a qualified teacher and not really deliberately trying to raise the kundalini, that's fine. The chakras should not be forced open by will power or visualization. They open automatically when the properties that sustain their rotation are developed. Premature efforts to move energy through chakras burn the protective etheric sheathing and usually result in bizarre, difficult to diagnose pains and psychosomatic conditions. More importantly, if the kundalini energies are forced, they will eventually meet resistence and create a huge problem.
Basically speaking, the kundalini is a reservoir of energy that works below the threshold of consciousness. It belongs to our instinct consciousness and works perfectly when left completely alone. When the mind feels it is qualified to know what is right, it will impose its viewpoints on instinctual knowing. This traumatizes a part of us that is there to protect life and yield the physical strength to escape or engage challenging forces. Impair instinct and the wisdom of countless incarnations is no longer available to act as it is designed to act.
This said, by far and away the majority of people who think they are practicing kundalini yoga are simply trying out different postures and no real movement occurs. Should, however, movement occur, it is likely to be an odd mixture of interesting and dangerous. |
Gadrey
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:17 pm: | |
Dear Ingrid,
"Kundalini energy is a current of the feminine power reaching towards the light. It belongs to our instinct consciousness and works perfectly when left completely alone."
"When the mind feels it is qualified to know what is right, it will impose its viewpoints on instinctual knowing. This traumatizes a part of us that is there to protect life and yield the physical strength to escape or engage challenging forces. Impair instinct and the wisdom of countless incarnations is no longer available to act as it is designed to act."
It appears from these comments of yours mentioned above that you have definitely achieved higher levels. Yet I felt that there is need to explain that while calling "Kundalini energy is a current of the feminine power reaching towards the light" one must explain that Kundalini word is always taken with Shakti as Kundalini Shakti & so it is taken as feminine though it is present in all males as well as females. It gets activated & rises with ultimate place being merging with "Shiva" the "Purush" or "Beejadata" or "creator" of this "Prakruti" which is feminine and its power in form of "Kundalini Shakti" being present in all. After the union of this "Shakti" with "Shiva" there is the stage of "Eternal Hapiness" or "Mukta" Stage.
One still wonders is it advisable to guide how to activate this?
How do we compare happiness without knowledge or with dormant Kundalini & Happiness with knowledge & supreme position & merger with Shiva? (One side there is happiness of enjoyment of Maya other side there is happiness of understanding this Maya.)
This appears the symbolic reasoning when we see "Lord" sleeping on "Shesha" the "great Time Serpent" and "Prakruti" in form of "Lakshmi" pressing the feet of Lord.
I am one Dr.Mukund V.Gadrey. I have done MBBS & MD from Mumbai, India. I was lucky to study Sanskrit at school level in Marathi (which is Language closest to Sanskrit) medium & futher study Modern medicine. I was able to study Indian Ayurveda, Astrology, Classical Music, Philosophy, etc.. I have shown the simmilarity of ideas between all these & allopathy also"!
There is only change of words. Allopathy appears study of "Ananta" or "Brahma" where as Ayurveda appears study of "Adi" or "Atma".
Concept of Allopathy is find out "Anta" or "End" so that we can avoid "Anta" or "End".
where as Concept of Ayurveda appears "to try to know Ayu" This is the Veda or knowledge of knowing Ayuh! As Ayuh has stages, sequences, cycles if you know them you can know & control Ayuh & once you know it to origin you realize that you have been there all along & you are going to be there all along which gives you "Mukti"!
I have written one book "Adhunik vedanta Ani Arogya" which I have translated into English as "Modern Vedanta & Health" In the same I have attempted to find how classical music can be used to keep health which was the concept behind Sama Veda. I am in search of a publisher which is difficult in India.
Anyway It was nice to visit your beautiful site.
It was amazing to watch how destiny brought you to India changing your life. It was great on your part also to have open mind.
Hope your blessing would be with me always.
Dr.Mukund V Gadrey. M.D.
11-4-2003
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Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 04:17 pm: | |
Dr. Gadrey,
How nice to read your comments and to meet you.
Sometimes I forget for a moment how very international the internet is so that when my comments are directed to people who took a weekend workshop learning to spin chakras and wave crystals over their chakras, I perhaps take the overly cautious position of urging people to have common sense.
In this country, we passed through a "guru movement" in the 60s and 70s when many totally authentic as well as some individuals preying on the gullibility of Westerners introduced all kinds of meditation and yoga practices.
Thirty years ago, I used to describe my practice as "specializing in the diseases of discipleship," meaning that I was trying to help people who were spinning chakras backwards, suffering from autoimmune diseases or worse; those who were repressing sexual energy and developing swelling of the reproductive system, not to mention pride; those working with primarily Chinese and Japanese martial arts practices where they were wrecking their knee caps and bursting their third chakras; and those who were trying to be enlightened before developing modesty and compassion. It was a psychic circus so you can imagine that given what people were experiencing, I had to develop an understanding of what caused all the bizarre symptoms. The last thing most people wanted to disclose was what exactly they were doing in their "spiritual practices." The suffering of some of these individuals was totally extraordinary. One person was paralyzed and in ghastly pain for more than a year. Another had a leg amputated. Of course, for most, nothing much really happened except for some fleeting psychic phenomena.
The way kundalini was taught here, not in India, but by many of the teachers in the West, it was a form of empowerment, a way to increase one's domination. This obviously has nothing to do with enlightenment; it is merely a delusion that comes when more energy and attention is focused on the root chakra. Moreover, some people were spending hours every day trying to reverse the direction of the chakras. This will never stabilize, but during the time of the injudicious effort, there is harm occurring, sometimes serious damage.
I therefore took the position that cultivation of the virtues of the higher chakras would permit the rise of the kundalini when people were ready. In the meantime, let the serpent sleep!
This could be an overreaction, but there were also conflicts between the medical and spiritual objectives, not real ones, but misunderstandings people had. You wrote a book and I might go on and on also. My tapes on astroendocrinology are 12 hours long!
People who cultivated the light without understanding the darkness tended to be arrogant and abusive towards that they regarded as inferior, both in themselves and others. Therefore, the most common result of such focus on "spirituality" was intolerance for the ordinary events of life, including one's own physical needs. I kept meeting people who had fasted so long and hard that they were almost crippled by deficiency conditions. Some were certain that once they were pure, their bodies would be translucent, not radiant or, to use the Indian term "effulgent" but almost transparent. They might even glow in the dark.
Have pity on us in this hemisphere! Children are always trying to do tasks meant for more mature individuals!
Namaskar! |
Gadrey
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 09:14 am: | |
"Have pity on us in this hemisphere! Children are always trying to do tasks meant for more
mature individuals!
Namaskar!"
Hey,
I hope you have not felt insulted or felt that
I have tried to show you small or anything likethat.. No my letter was not having any such intentions. Sorry if I have caused any harm or feeling of pain to your Mind.
- Gadrey
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Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 12:30 pm: | |
Dr. Gadrey,
Oh, I took no offense at all . . . was merely explaining how very difficult it is to guess at what people might be doing and calling it yoga or kundalini or whatever.
In India, some of these matters are understood so deeply and not used as valium for the soul! |
Gadrey
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 01:46 pm: | |
Now You are saying..
"was merely explaining how very difficult it is to guess at what people might be doing and calling it yoga or kundalini or whatever.
In India, some of these matters are understood so deeply and not used as valium for the soul!"
This sounds as if you have doubts!
May be you could not have met some one who had chance to study "Apara Vidya" as well as "Para Vidya" over there., as "Apara Vidya" is more developed in west where as "Para Vidya" is more developed in east and one can not understand, things in deep, without studying both.
These "Para Vidya" needs understanding Sanskrit and here is the main drawback for people from west. I wish ( partly sure also) that soon English would adapt Sanskrit script or it would be taught simultaneously to the benefit of western students which would unite East & West.
"In India, some of these matters are understood so deeply and used not only as valium for the soul but also as Ephedrine or Amphetamine for Mind when need be, as soul needs pacifiers where as mind needs mood elevators!"
It was nice to hear that you have not felt offended as there is no such intention. If we can be of any help to each other I am ready to offer
whatever I can do.
- Dr.Gadrey.
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Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 07:40 pm: | |
Dr. Gadrey,
Oh, yes! I do enjoy this discussion, but feel free to contact me privately also.
Speaking for myself, I sometimes regret that I did not study Sanskrit and cannot read it. As with most translations, I am certain much is lost.
When I lived in India, I was very good friends with Dr. Lokesh Chandra, a member of the Raj Sabha and director of an Institute for Indian Studies, but it was really his father's venture and more focused on Tibetan and Mongolian studies than cultural and spiritual matters of the subcontinent. After a visit by a Harvard researcher, he made a remark which stayed in my mind all these many years. "Westerners come over here and pick our brains and then write long books. Indians wait until they are at least 70 years old and then they write a few sentences" and we might append that can be added to the wisdom of the ages, for I am sure he meant to add that also. In our publish or perish mode, we regurgitate almost anything, often without having digested it; but we seldom have real respect for or reverence for life and those who teach us how to live. I am very grateful that while our civilization seems to be falling into chaos that confidence in the richness of your heritage is once more expressing itself and finding its way into the spiritual wastelands of the West.
With much appreciation! |
Gadrey
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 01:41 am: | |
You say
"In our publish or perish mode, we regurgitate almost anything, often without having digested it;"
Yet I feel this is also equally important as, at times as per Indian style, a sentence told by Guru at the age of 70 may not be understood by disciple or even wrong interpretations are done & when this happens one has to wait till proper person (may be reincarnation of Guru) takes birth to give correct meanings.
So Indians believed in "learning by heart" (Shruti system) more than describing or believing in descriptions (Smruti System)as there can be errors, as, the same word can have different meanings, when prononced differently.
Both methods (western publish or perish, & Eastern going deep & then opening mouth)are equally important & necessary at different times. We must remember that without understanding "Apara" (western)knowledge we can not understand "Para" (Eastern)knowledge & vice verca.
But for this understanding (and Kundalini Jagriti)proper time has to come.
This is given in Geeta
Adhisthanam Tatha Karta,
Karanam Cha Prithak Visdham,
Vivisdhah Cha Prithak Cheshta,
Daivam Tatra Cha Panchamam
( Chapter 18/ Stanza 14)
Here (& in general also)word Daivam means Time
factor.
I think I have adequately bored you!
- Gadrey.
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Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, April 18, 2003 - 11:55 pm: | |
No, Dr. Gadrey, you haven't bored me, but I am waiting for the translation! |
Gadrey
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 03:45 am: | |
Have you not read Geeta?!
Without reading Geeta I do not think one can advise about things based on Ancient Indian culture like even Ayurveda!
That book is summary of everything, all knowledge I am not joking or I am not a fanatic. Believe me. I would advise you to purchase a copy of a book "Bhagavad-Geeta As it is" published by "Bhaktivedant Book Trust" ISBN No. is
ISBN 0-89213-123-3
This book is he best I have read "because it gives tralations of indivisual words after separating "Sandhi" of sanskrit words" so that one can translate oneself to take out the meaning ( Do not pay much attention to their tranalation! which should be used as one of additional tools avialable to understand the things! You must try to undestand what is eing said using the word to word transalations).
Adhisthanam Tatha Karta,
Karanam Cha Prithak Vidham,
Vividhah Cha Prithak Cheshta,
Daivam Tatra Cha Panchamam
( Chapter 18/ Stanza 14)
Purpose(Adhisthan),also(Tatha)Capable person(Karta),Tool or instrument of doing(Karanam) as also(Cha) different proper correct actions(Prithak Vidham)produces different reactions & effects(Vividhah Cha Prithak Cheshta)
Destiny( or Time factor(Daivam) there being(Tatra Cha)the fifth (fifth)factor!
or in simple
"Purpose","Capable person","Instrumen of doing", "different correct actions & there reactions" & "Destiny"(This is Time factor) being the fifth factor
Here he has described these 5 essential factors for any good or bad happening in thw world! this becomes clear in the next stanza -
Sharira Vang-mano-bhihi
Yat karma prarambhate Narah
Nyayya Va Viparitam Va
Pancha Ete Tasya Hetavaha
( Chapter 18 stanza 15)
Bodily(Sharira),spoken(Vang),Mental(Mano)
using (Bhihi) whatever work(Karma)is started(Prarambhate) by any person (Narah), whether just(Nyayya) or(va) unjust(Vparitam)
these five(Pancha)are there (ete Tasya) reasons(Hetavaha).
For any "Bodily" or "Spoken" or "Metal" actions or work done by any person whether just or unjust these five(given in previous stanza) factors or reasons.
"Purpose","Capable person","Instrumen of doing", "different correct actions & there reactions" & "Destiny"(This is Time factor) being the fifth factor
I am sorry to state that good translators who really understand the meaning behind the words & not just the meaning of the words are not available. Sanskrit Language or for that mater any language needs "Su-Sanskrit" minds or "minds cultivated in good" (this medium of cultivation of good mind! as opposed to "Asanskrit" or non-cultivated minds!).
I want to translate Geeta but I do not know when the time factor would start playing its role.
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Gadrey
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 01:40 pm: | |
When I mention
For any "Bodily" or "Spoken" or "Metal" actions or work done by any person whether just or unjust these five(given in previous stanza) factors or reasons.
"Purpose","Capable person","Instrumen of doing", "different correct actions & there
reactions" & "Destiny"(This is Time factor) being the fifth factor
Here one has to understand tha any Karma in this world can be divided into three types
Either
- Bodily (Sharirik)
- Spoken (Vang - actualy Vakmayeen with Vacha)
- Mental (Mano-bhi - done with mind)
Any of these Karmas done either for just cause or unjust cause one needs -
- Purpose (Adhishthan - good or Bad)
- Able person ( The Karta )
- Instrument of doing ( Karan , other person or any other mater involved with or on whom you are going to do the karma
- Proper actions & Reactions ( Prithak Vidham ( and vivid chheshta.)
- Daivam ( Destiny or time factor)
Without any of these these five factors No Karma can be achieved. If pupose is not there, Able person is not there, Tool of doing or other required personel and instrumnets are not there, or Proper actions and reactions do not occur then Karma good or Bad whatever it may be it can not be achieved & in Addition there is fifth factor which is Daivam or Time factor i.e. things occur only when proper time , daiva factor is working.
This was what I was saying.
For Kundalini Jagruti also proper time has to come. Purpose being gaining knowledge. Ultimate knowledge being Aham Brahmasmi, Tattavam Asi, & Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahmasi Nityam! ( Meaning I am Brahma, You are also same Brahma Everything around me is Brahma and is eternal(Nityam). Once you achieve this realization then one becomes "Mukta"
and "lives life as it comes enjoying Eternal Hapiness".
Do You have any job for me over there?!
May be a "Post" of "Guru"!!!
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Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:41 pm: | |
Dr. Gadrey,
I have read the Gita, but in English! I gather my mind belongs to the a-Sanskrit category you describe in not so flattering terms! I have taken great care to try to express my understanding without reference to foreign vocabulary, but some pundits think this is not acceptable.
I have a web site called Soaring Spirit with Tears which is more philosophical. Some of your interests might fit better there, especially your desire to reform what you see as inappropriate.
http://www.soaringspiritwithtears.com |
Gadrey
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 02:59 am: | |
I can make out you have felt very offended by my doubts and comments about reading Geeta. No I do not have any desire to reform anybody as I know & you also would accept that one can not reform other, that desire has to come from within.
Again their was no intention of offending you.
Last part of asking whether there is a post of "Guru" was also a joke as sometimes I get bored sitting here where people are too busy making two ends of a month meet because of poverty & accompanying disinterest in these things. Then all different kinds of "Pseudo-Gurus" are seen taking people for a ride and leading lavish lives.
When I wrote
"Sanskrit Language or for that mater any language needs "Su-Sanskrit" minds or "minds cultivated in good" (this medium of cultivation of good mind! as opposed to "Asanskrit" or non-cultivated minds!."
I have taken for granted that you know understanding of the word "Sanskrit" It means "well-cultivated" This language was formed from "Prakrut" or "PrakrutiJanya" Bhashas or "Natural Languages born out of Nature". English, Urdu,Marathi Hindi, Chinese are all Prakrit Languages. It appears Sanskrit was product of research in ancient times so called Sanskrit ("Sanskarit iti Sanskrit"). So to undersand meaning behind the words in any language one needs well cultivated (Su-Sanskarit or Su-sanskrit) minds. This does not mean Asanskrut are ones who do not know sanskrit. There are plenty of Asanskrit people who know sanskrit!
I hope I am clear.
You write
"I have read the Gita, but in English! I gather my mind belongs to the a-Sanskrit category you describe in not so flattering terms!"
Never ever say that. YOU ARE VERY HIGHLY SU-SANSKRIT MIND I HAVE EVER MET FROM YOUR SIDE OF WORLD. REALLY.
Sometimes I feel there are more A-Sanskrit minds around here so I joked whether You have any post over there for me.
Sorry Sorry Sorry for hurting your mind.
Forgiving is divine. ( Daya Kshama Shanti Tethe devachi vasati - Gods residence is one where there is peace & forgivence)
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Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 12:02 am: | |
They say humor is the hardest to translate . . . I hope you know I have been teasing you also! I was not offended at all. I just can't carry on a conversation in Sanskrit . . . not even over the internet!
Still, you have raised some important issues about how people purport to minister to the needs of those who are ill and soaringspiritwithtears.com has lots of room for ideas that can be used to create the health care systems of the future.
Be my guest, as they say over here . . . |
ssv
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 06:59 am: | |
I want to know yoga or Kundalini yoga to get sound sleep.
S.S.Vyas |
ssv
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 07:18 am: | |
I want to know yoga or Kundalini yoga to get sound sleep.
S.S.Vyas |
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