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Susan
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 03:49 pm: | |
Ingrid,
I guess there's no way to avoid the alcohol. When I take herbal extracts with alcohol, I usually put it in the hot water so the alcohol evaporates.
Am interested in the quantities; i.e., I juiced a handful of fresh cilantro yesterday - how does that compare to drops in the extract? Also, I noticed that late yesterday, pain when I open my jaw wide was gone - have had that for some time. It is back a little this AM. Am also eating a lot of Sun Chlorella.
Do you know if the gold /porcelain topped tooth caps allow the gold to be available to react?
Did you have a lot of fillings? What were your symptoms?
Interesting how the ADA says amalgam has been used safely for 150 years and there is no evidence to the contrary. There is no evidence it has been safe, either, when you think of all the degenerative diseases, gray hair and rapid aging, which really shouldn't happen.
Susan |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 04:10 pm: | |
First off, from what I hear from hygienists and dentists, they do learn during their training that mercury is a very dangerous and toxic material. However, they are instructed to use it anyway. It has been used for hundreds of years. It was a favored treatment for syphillis in the dark ages of medical history and is added to vaccines as we speak.
I know a lawyer who has filed a class action lawsuit against the manufacturers of amalgams and the ADA. This was bound to happen because we cannot continue to maintain that a material that if drilled out as part of a medical procedure must be disposed of as a hazardous waste but can be used routinely as a filling without a second thought. There are over 200 choices in dental materials so finding one that is safe should not pose such an enormous challenge.
Those who are sensitive are frequently highly sensitive and mercury has been implicated in a host of neurological diseases and banned in vaccines and dental materials in many European countries.
Where are we and why are we there is a good question, a fair question. To the best of my knowledge, only one city in the U.S. has restricted dumping of mercury into the water supply, including that which comes from dental offices. This should be a law everywhere.
You asked about my symptoms. I think I reported them on the site? Basically, I had been replacing amalgams with composites whenever the need for dental work occurred. I was not at all happy with composites, but I felt they were a better option. They are hugely estrogenic and I find them reactive to temperature changes. One dentist told me they are also a caustic . . . and this just about put me over the Moon because I had studied so much about caustics when researching my book on cancer.
Anyway, I had not chelated out the mercury and I still have some amalgam fillings. While I probably have fewer than many people, I was hugely over-vaccinated because of my former work with the State Department. I was always sick after every injection. This said, I somehow managed to avoid both the polio and gamma globulin shots.
On balance, we have to imagine that I had my share of mercury. I felt reactions in the brain immediately, precisely where an acupuncturist had used needles to force me to walk again after paralysis following multiple spider bites. The sensations were loud, not vague.
Some days later, I felt like my leg was going out from under me. The symptoms changed constantly, but I felt safe with them and better afterwards.
I don't know the right dosage. I suspect it is safer to pace oneself slowly and to avoid all contact with amalgam fillings. I.e., if you still have amalgams, you have to put the drops way in the back of the mouth to swill them down.
I like the fresh taste of the cilantro and do not in this case like the idea of adding hot water . . . though, like you, I often do this with certain herbal formulae.
I am not aware of reactions with gold or porcelain, but I cannot say these could not occur. The studies indicate that cilantro chelates mercury, aluminum, and lead. No mention has been made of other possible reactions, but to be on the safe side, I would avoid contact.
I would also invite you to report your experiences because this is how we learn. More people will see the need for managing the toxic loads in their systems if they see how they have been burdened by the toxins.
Best wishes! |
maggsIc
| | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 12:50 pm: | |
Ingrid, I wish I could paste in this space. Please anyone who sees this post go to the following URL: http://www.thorne.com/townsend/oct/mercury.html.
"Is Mercury Toxicity an Autoimmune Disorder?"
There is a history of amalgam fillings plus much more. Apparently the term "quack" came from the 1800's when amalgams were first introduced in this country. Dentists here were against its use, and since the German term for mercury was "quicksilver", and the German pronunciation of "quick" was "quack", dentists at the time who used amalgams in their practice were called "quacks". Isn't that fascinating?
Today, I went and had a mercury lab test, blood draw and the urine test is over 24 hours. I juiced the rest of the fresh cilantro I have. I read on another site that one should take the chelating agent DMSA while collecting urine so that the mercury will be flushed out and will show up and give the proper reading. It will be interesting.
Susan Heckel |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 01:30 pm: | |
Dear Susan,
I think the word "quack" actually comes from the Dutch for those who makes salves. There was a long thread on this subject a couple of years ago on a list to which I subscribe and after a ton of fascinating debate, this is the final verdict, but perhaps there is a linguistic anthropologist out there? |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2001 - 09:03 am: | |
Ingrid, I am wondering what your symptoms were after having the resin, or composite fillings put in in place of the amalgams. Thanks.
Susan Heckel |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 04:01 pm: | |
Susan,
The composites are less than perfect. My teeth were almost unbearably sensitive to both hot and cold. I remembered a medical doctor who had a similar material put in his bone (surgery for bone cancer). He complained so much about the pain of the material and his sensitivity to temperature.
The other problem is that they are estrogenic. I gained weight and I do not think these materials are suitable for people who already suffer from too much estrogen (which was not my problem, but I have seen some cancer patients suffer extremely rapid and sometimes fatal growth of tumors following removal and mercury and their replacement with composites.) I am certain there is as much denial around these risks as there is around mercury.
The composites are not very stable. They often fall out. I do not feel that the dentists are sufficiently well trained in the use of the materials. They seem totally uninformed about side effects and risks.
It's dangerous out there. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 09:03 am: | |
Ingrid, In searching for info on composites (my 15 year old daughter's dentist puts resin fillings in kids instead of mercury) I read that the composites give off things for the first few days and then that reduces to very little?!
Am getting the feeling, when it comes to teeth, we are between a rock and a hard place (didn't you say that already?). One either gets slowly poisoned by something, or gets them taken out and looks funny or wears dentures. Interesting, I know two men who had lost their teeth and wore dentures (I knew them in their 50's), and remember that both had no grey hair!! I thought it must have been genetic. Another old Dutch friend of my parents that I first knew as a child (he was born in 1900) had no teeth at all and used to scare us kids. He eventually got dentures and lived, with all his marbles, well into his 90's.
Susan |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 07:08 pm: | |
Susan,
The odor from the composites is truly significant in the beginning, really like a plastic exposed to heat. I read somewhere (years ago) that a single composite filling is equivalent to 500-800 hormone replacement treatments (those pills many women start taking when nearing the menopause.) I was shocked and when I discussed this with an environmentally conscious dentist, he was more surprised that I was so well-informed than that I was in arms over the fact that this information is not part of the dentist-patient discussion of treatment.
While I am totally certain that many people with environmental sensitivities have been cured when their mercury was removed, I am also certain that several women I know died when the mercury was replaced by composites.
There are blood tests that determine compatibility, but I suspect the results would vary at different stages of the replacement and chelation. One dentist I know prefers only "nobel metals" whereas others want no metals at all. I am disinclined towards metal and fairly certain that if one starts putting in gold, one needs to get rid of the mercury quickly (because this really is a problem). My favorite material is one that is rarely discussed but is finally available.
Years ago, PBS ran a special in which a French surgeon's use of coral to replace bone was shown. He had "plugs" of sterilized coral of different sizes that he inserted into bone when drilling out bone diseased by cancer. He showed x-rays of the bone at six-month intervals. At the end of three years, the treated area was indisguishable from the bone.
No one really knows how bones heal. Theoretically, it is impossible, but we all know that they mend. I asked my dentist about remineralizing my teeth and asked if he would experiment on me.
The first time I tried this, I made a toothpowder myself, with dolomite. My jackets were cracked because of the extreme cold to which I had been exposed in the Himalayas (a Swedish dentist told me this was because my mouth was warm and the outside air was cold.)
Anyway, I told my dentist about the Nova broadcast and he made some inquiries. I asked him to put some powdered minerals under a temporary filling to see if the tooth would remineralize. We were both pleased to try this as dentists actually learn that teeth will remineralize (but that patients are too lazy and undisciplined to attempt this.) It's easier for them and more lucrative to perform a surgical procedure than to spend an equal amount of time in risky patient education.
Anyway, it worked, but I was aware that the procedure would have to repeated and continued. Lidocaine is a very dangerous carcinogen, much worse than cigarette smoking, so one does not want to choose procedures that require anesthesia with each visit to the dentist.
I am not sure about toothlessness and the other issues you brought up. Basically, it is not safe to leave pockets in the mouth in which infection can breed . . . and this is another can of worms! |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 07:28 am: | |
I am concerned about the composite initial effect, if pediatric dentists are using it on kids. My daughter just started her period (actually about 2 and half years ago). Initially, she was irregular which I guess is normal, but then got quite regular, with an occasional late period. Getting irregular worries me because I think of all the hormones in milk products, chicken, beef, and now composite fillings. I wonder about the sealants they put on kids' teeth. My father was an OB/GYN doctor and always had us keep monthly charts of our periods, so though I am done with it (60), I keep asking my daughter to monitor it. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 07:58 am: | |
Ingrid, may have mentioned this already - jaw pain and more forgetfulness have kept me wondering what is wrong the last few months. The dentist office confirmed that the most recent cap was a type he'd not used before - gold and porcelain - put in in september. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 01:36 pm: | |
So far as menstrual irregularity goes, I hope to be posting some protocols very soon. It's tricky because the situation varies so much from individual to individual.
The jaw pain, and gosh I hate to say this, can be related to infection. In the seminar I took on oral toxicology, more than 30 different kinds of infection as well as a slew of heavy metal toxins were implicated in the deaths of countless people. One dentist, speaking to his colleagues, actually said, "Folks, we are the leading cause of death in this world."
Part of the problem is that infections are trapped because of the improper surgical procedures used. What happens is that the bones turn to mush. They had picture after picture of dentists scooping out diseased bone.
The body is just overburdened by all this insult. As I said, I make my own toothpaste and vary the formula to make it more immune boosting, more effective with periodontal concerns, more whitening, etc., etc. I would like to produce this on a wider scale, but really prefer to consult with someone who is dedicated and willing to do the job right. It isn't being done now. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 08:42 am: | |
Ingrid - thanks for advice on the cilantro - 5-10 drops to start. Someone told me yesterday that it was the cooked part of cilantro that works?!Actually, maybe infection is the answer - I just saw temporalmandibular pain as a symptom that might mean too much mercury. I also have a fingernail infection, around the cuticle that will just not go away no matter what supplements I take. The nail disintegrated at the cuticle and then grew back half bumpy and deformed and the area is read, just like a little infection.
Can the diseased bone be reached from the inside, with anything that kills anaerobic bacteria? Like the ion-stabilized oxygen? Just got a library book on the pervasiveness of lead poisoning - I used to chew varnish from my crib, in the 40's, among other things - never did well in school - maybe the combination with mercury just makes it worse.
Did you have a lot of mercury in your body from the amalgams? Your described reaction to the cilantro seemed extreme, or is that what happens with just the average amount of amalgams?
I appreciate your answers to all these varied comments and questions - your knowledge and experience are valuable. Indecision is one supposed symptom of mercury poisoning - my father had it big-time (ended up a suicide in 1963 at age 54). I have it - did you, or have you?
Thanks. Susan |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 08:49 am: | |
Ingrid, reread your paragraph on oral toxicology - actually am getting a little worried. Just had a root canal in Sept. and the new cap put on. Always have bad taste in mouth - jaw pain (when open wide). Do the infections come as a result of the root canal? 3-4 years ago, I had a bad one on the lower right - had neglected to go to the dentist, and the bone was involved - so lost the tooth. Am assuming they got all the infection...??
Do the root canal teeth just spontaneously develop infection in, or around, the dead tooth? |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 01:54 pm: | |
Ingrid, what about lead? The book am reading indicates it is incredibly pervasive, even in pool cue chalk! (had to go clean up a mess of pool cue chalk and put it in a bag with a caution label!!) Is there an herbal chelator for lead? I think chlorella works for all heavy metals.
Thanks.
Susan |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 02:06 pm: | |
Susan,
You keep asking about my amalgams. I had some. The dentist I saw as a child was not ethical. He later got into big trouble for doing work that was not medically indicated. My big problem is inoculations. I was in the State Department and was given shots for everything. There is mercury in the injections to stabilize the serum. I do not have the symptoms of mercury poisoning, but I am certain I have my quota.
The cilantro works on lead, arsenic, aluminum, and mercury -- or, so they say. I see you are being cautious, but try it.
As for the root canals, they are usually not done right and infection is a big issue. I have had long discussions with environmental dentists about whether anything can penetrate deep enough to reach an area that has minimal blood supply. Theoretically, nothing works, but many holistic practitioners report personal success with gargling diluted medical grade hydrogen peroxide, colloidal silver, or an antibacterial mouthwash. I tried all of these and feel that the mouthwash was the most effective (one I made up myself) -- I kept an abscess under control for over two years and finally met a dentist who could address the underlying issue -- curious synchronicity because he phoned this morning to order cilantro to carry in his office. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 04:19 pm: | |
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I had 11 drops today and just put them in a cup and let them sit so the alcohol would evaporate - then added water and chug-a-lugged. Your extract is absolutely beautiful - it smells wonderful and is a gentle green - I hope it is still ok after letting the alc. evaporate. The caution on the bottle toned my exuberance a bit, which is good. I experiment on myself, too, but no sense in overdoing it. Oh, the reason I asked so specifically about amalgams and mercury is because of the cleansing you had gone through. A week ago I dreamed of a circle with something like sand flowing out of it and a lot of kind of squirming abstract images. Had been using the cilantro oil and sun chlorella. Incredible headache above the roof of the mouth yesterday and today. Have you ever used stabilized oxygen? It is supposed to kill all anaerobic bacteria, so maybe it gets to abscesses internally. |
maggsIc
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 04:57 pm: | |
Ingrid, reread your page on the cilantro use. Was the gray sand and smell due to mercury or the other heavy metals - this is what fascinates me. I also have a rash on the outside of the right calf but don't know if that's related. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 08:36 pm: | |
Susan,
The gray "stuff" was presumably mercury. That's what an environmental dentist told me. It was kind of slick.
I used a lot of Epsom salts in the bath -- and I think this is important.
You may need to use something detoxifying because a rash suggests that you are eliminating through the skin rather than the preferred eliminatory channels. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 12:12 pm: | |
Ingrid - blood and urine came back normal (blood - 0, and urine was creatinine, in the low range. Is creatinine the mercury test??
Put some cilantro drops in a cup for the alcohol to evaporate and when I went back there was nothing there at all!!! Hmm. In looking at lead info, may be something there as drink hot teas constantly out of ceramic mugs - made in China. Got the number to order a lead test kit from Michigan Ceramic Supply - (800) 860-2332; 6 for 6.99, 24 for 10.99 and so on; shipping 4.00. May get one.
Susan |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 08:50 pm: | |
Creatinine is basically a measure of kidney function.
The mystery of the disappearing cilantro gives rise to some speculation as to the presence of invisibles in your home? |
maaggsIc
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 08:19 am: | |
Ingrid,
I had just put 5 drops in the cup and after it appeared gone, it still had the distinctive smell. Wouldn't the cilantro still be left after the alcohol evaporates? I don't want to heat it but have such an aversion to alcohol I can't bring myself to take it as is, though that would be best. Ever since early days was hardly even able to smell hard liquor - don't know why. It was around - mom liked Canadian Club on the rocks and dad drank at least 5 martinis a night after work. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:56 pm: | |
Maybe your father's spirit drank the cilantro?
Seriously, I understand the aversion, but if you are that sensitive, you might have some liver weakness. Try the lycium berry smoothie (on this site) -- it is delicious and really works (gradually, of course) towards regenerating the liver. You can achieve similar results with pills, but this is food. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 04:27 pm: | |
Susan,
It just occurred to me that perhaps I'm being too flippant . . . grrh. There has to be room for humor.
I like the cilantro so much that I thought of coming up with some new cocktails, like an Alexander -- it is a gorgeous color, isn't it?
However, if you hate alcohol, you hate alcohol . . . even though the man who owns the lab where this is made says that herbal tinctures can be tolerated by those who are allergic to alcohol as well as alcoholics. I don't actually know the basis of his certainty. After I had hepatitis, I used to get a little tipsy when an airline hostess rolled the cart down the aisle. However, I treated my liver and am now fine and handle alcohol well even though I rarely drink anything other than the herbal preparations. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:38 pm: | |
Ingrid, here is what am wondering - if Dr. Omura saw patients excreting meals after getting cilantro in soup, it must still be effective when cooked, or hot???!!! |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:47 pm: | |
Sounds like a Freudian slip here? Metals?
I am not certain, but my suspicion is that the cilantro, called Chinese parsley, is a garnish, not something cooked with the rest of the soup but added later. I am saying this because it isn't advisable at all to cook parsley . . . but I am not quite sure about cilantro but will do some research.
This said, cilantro "grabs" heavy metals in the soil also and that certainly has to be one of the properties of the plant, not an effect of cooking.
. . . and then, alcohol might be considered a method of cooking? Not exactly, but . . .
I don't have all the answers, but the more questions we ask, the more answers we will get. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 08:51 am: | |
Ingrid, was wondering if the extract should be refrigerated once opened. This AM it seems a slightly different green. Have had some funny 'dozing' mental images when not quite asleep - one was looking into cupboard under sink and found two boxes of eggs, one cobwebby and was thinking - oboy some eggs to use. Last eve had image of looking into bathroom and saw bunches of junk under the counter, which actually aren't there. Maybe the mind's eye is seeing something in the body and then translating it into an everyday image.
Maybe cilantro works whether raw or cooked - someone I talked with said it only works when it is cooked...??!!
This AM I felt a distinct need for the cilantro so put 10 drops into water heating on the stove and when I drank it it tasted like cilantro. In the last few days have also been taking some drops of ion stabilized oxygen, which is also supposed to rout out evil things in the body, so maybe it is too many things at once.
On the subjects of fingernail ridges and warts, would it be better to start a new thread?
Thanks. I have read some things about warts - that the lysine and argenine balance is important (too much arginine amino acid in relation to lysine amino acid is favorable to warts). Also that the warts are caused by a virus, but it seems as though a healthy immune system should be able to get rid of them...unless it is an imbalance of some sort.
The fingernail ridges and cuticle infections and resultant distorted nail growth are hard to find information about. The only thing I could find was info on nail fungus in children, or being caused by too much immersion in water. It does seem as though a disease state could cause it, or, heaven forbid, some rampant parasite!!!!???
Susan |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 11:30 am: | |
Susan,
I'm going to nickname you "Question Box" but let's try. I can't say more on cilantro except that I agree that the foggy visions are projectiosn of inner states.
For fungus, try soaking your hands in turmeric. They will stain badly, but this usually works, about 1/2 ounce of turmeric to a large pain or bowl of warm water. Keep your hands there for about 20 minutes and repeat this until the problem has cleared.
The nail growth problem could be an infection of some type, hard to know without more information; but the ridges are due to trace mineral deficiency which can be adrenal related (i.e., stress leading to hyperactivity of the kidneys and excretion of nutrients before the recyclable ones have been assimilated), a different kind of malnutrition related more to diet or digestive malabsorption than hyperactivity of the kidneys (which is my theory for you based on the creatinine results and your obvious high nerve energy, what is called the "vata" type in Ayurveda or air type in astrology.) This latter also goes with your way of imaging, i.e., your subconscious way of communicating is typical of this type as are your questions.
Cultivating calmness, faith, rhythm, routine, and the power to observe in situations that seem to be moving out of control will help enormously. |
maggsIc
| | Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 08:33 am: | |
Ingrid - thanks for the wise words! Aquarius is an air sign too - are you a Leo? With 10 drops of cilantro and about 45 tablets of chlorella yesterday, last night had different symptoms. All day yesterday, left hip pained so almost had to limp, actually did limp, and last night as part of a dream I don't remember saw a huge sign like a billboard that said "Metal Company" on it....! When woke up every bone (felt like it) in body, especially long bones, ached/hurt. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Monday, March 26, 2001 - 07:20 pm: | |
As an update on the chelation saga, today I had about 40 drops of cilantro in hot water (yesterday had 15 drops neat in water). Bone ache went away quite quickly. Today felt quite hyper, like used to feel with hyper thyroid, and stiff, with jaw pain on opening wide still there. |
maggsIc
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 08:02 am: | |
Ingrid, here is a new slant on the chelation of metals, and I have no idea if it is valid. My daughter and I were talking about whether a stool should sink or not, and apparently on proper diet a stool should float. Mine have been sinking lately and they have been much improved over the past 20-30 years after got over constipation with changed diet, no refined foods, etc. I honestly don't remember if they actually floated all the time, but could it be because the cilantro and chlorella are chelating lead and mercury out that they are sinking? I mean, lead sinkers sink! Am going to try and find out more. At first I thought they sank because of the high protein content in chlorella (80% or so).
Also, you mentioned your grandfather was a metallurgist. That is fascinating. Have always felt uneasy about pineapple juice and V-8 in little cans and other canned foods, but the generally accepted thought is that until they hit the air they are OK. After knowing the generally accepted facts about amalgams being all wrong, it would be interesting to know if, when you drink a can of V-8, you are also getting a dose of metals. I occasionally put them in my daughter's lunch but am not sure it is wise. Also, wrapping sandwiches in aluminum foil.
Today, jaw pain seems really gone, even on awakening. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 08:11 am: | |
Another thought on body burden of metals - this thought surfaced today because on the way to school, my daughter told me that some of her friends are now smoking, in fact, most of them. This puts me on the spot because their parents don't know (at least, the one closest neighbor) and they spend a lot of time here, but that's another problem; anyway, when I was 14-15, could never smoke, and already mentioned could never drink - now am thinking it is because already had a surfeit of lead and mercury in the body that put tolerance right at the edge - there was no room for more, and subconsciously, I knew it. In other words, was already "inTOXIcated". When started to drink coffee at age 25, it was like poison and could never drink more than two cups at the most - it was like a drug. And I'm hooked - after struggling with it for 35 years, can only drink 2 or 3 swallows every morning or it wrecks the day. The swallows are pretty stong though, as filter it through a filter right into a mug. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 08:25 am: | |
Another thought regarding burden of lead and mercury - magnet therapy is much promoted as giving energy, etc., and at a ballroom dancing class a few years ago they were giving free treatments to show how effective they are. They ran magnets over my back while I was lying on a magnetic pad - all for about 15-20 minutes. Afterward, I couldn't go on with the lessons and for several days was wiped out. Steered clear of magnets after that. Again, could it be the burden of lead in the bones and mercury, etc. that caused the reaction of fatigue? Or at least fouled up the currents. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 09:59 am: | |
WEll, today took half a dropper of cilantro and took the whole thing. Will be interesting. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 02:01 am: | |
Please feel free to continue reporting your experiences. The fact that you go through bouts of intense pain and emerge out the other end is encouraging to those who feel that something is wrong when they are detoxifying.
As for the question about eliminations, I'll start a new discussion because this one has a lot of posts already. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:20 am: | |
(Today, stools floated)
After 40 drops yesterday, only really noticeable reaction was dreams, that internal video camera, in which in one I was setting out four placemats and one was fraying on the right edge, and I couldn't fix it and it was just wrong. In the other was in an old, huge house, which was loved, but was in terrible shape - dirty, broken, and I was looking for garbage receptables and plastic liners like mad - it seems there were some nice decorative things in it, but sort of lost in the hodge podge, and with an atmosphere of anxiety. Woke up at 1 am feeling had taken a little too much of something. Took a little celtic sea salt and drank water. This AM had about a half dropper in hot water.
Have an appointment tomorrow morning with a holistic dentist, who happens to be in Naples, FL, but am wondering if it is too soon to see him. It is going to be 250.00 which I'll have to charge, and had thought first of talking with regular dentist first. However, will probably do it - it is an hour and a half examination of all teeth, etc. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 07:24 am: | |
Thursday AM woke up at 1 AM again after having dream which seemed to involve battle with a huge many tentacled black (very dark) thing in my body - it seemed alive and was everywhere. And my whole body hurt - not so much bones as it was last time a few days ago. Wasn't til later when I woke up that I wondered if the dark color signified mercury. Perhaps it's getting spilled out now. It is very hard to describe dreams because the whole thing is usually lost. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 07:55 am: | |
Today, the most noticeable thing is the rash on right calf, which is suddenly starting to itch quite a bit..
Ingrid, did you always take half a dropper of cilantro, or did you increase it or take it more than once a day?
Do you still take it?
Two people I talked with yesterday, the dentist and someone at DAMS (www.amalgams.org) said it is better to do the cilantro after having amalgams removed. But am thinking that mercury and lead in the body must be like an iceberg, with a great deal accumulated below the surface. If mercury has been accumulating since age 6 or so - over 50 years, then it seems as though there must be a lot in there to get out, more than is vaporized each day in the present. Another interesting question......if the body renews itself every 7 years, where do the heavy metals go - do they just get recycled into the new cells? I read at one of the amalgam related websites that some 3 or 4 quadrillion molecules of mercury are liberated each day from amalgams and absorbed into the body. (Must check for accuracy - never could be accurate remembering facts) |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 11:09 pm: | |
I varied the dosage according to symptoms so as to pace the removal to something my body could manage, i.e. "chelate at an organic rate!"
Mercury is in many (or most) vaccines so many people carry the toxic load from infancy.
I do not think that cellular renewal affects mercury because the mercury is deposited in the tissues: the tissues are renewed, not the deposits. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 07:48 am: | |
Ingrid, thank you for the response. Yesterday I din't take cilantro or chlorella at all. Was a little low all day and by eve had to lie down, and essentially 'went to bed' at about 6 pm. My daughter had friends over and I wasn't even aware when they were picked up. My body hurt, yet I still felt need for exercise and had gone swimming twice during the day. Even with a filter on the pool that requires use of less chlorine, after the small amount is added each week, I can smell it on my skin and must scrub. Yesterday, this seemed intolerable and I itched, especially the rash. Skin felt sensitized and outraged. I bought selenium yesterday (50 mcg tabs) and took one because had read that it helps detoxify mercury by forming salts to excrete (Ingrid, you might want to edit that). I don't know if this contributed to the symptoms last night. Now in the AM Saturday, feel ok. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 12:33 pm: | |
Basically, when you feel you are going through more than you can handle, you need to slow down on the chelation but continue with the things that help you to remove the toxins from your system. Ergo, cutting back or skipping cilantro for a few days makes sense but it does not make sense to stop the other supportive protocols such as the chlorella (and hopefully kidney and liver supplements as well as fluids.) So far as chlorine is concerned, well, you found out the hard way. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 09:56 pm: | |
This will be the third day without cilantro - am irritated and 'prickly' - perhaps partly because had more than my allotted two swallows of coffee. Ingrid, thanks for the advice - for some reason do not feel like milk thistle at this time. Did you have mental effects from the cilantro? I do think when I start back it will be with 10-20 drops - even that brought things on at first. I think it's still working even after a few days. Am reading the book "Our Stolen Future" about synthetic estrogenic-effect chemicals and the havoc they are wreaking...and this is just the beginning. I'd like to stop all plastic use, cans, and just use glass. Trouble is, we can't get away from it. Near where we live a new golf course was put in, and now they're building another one!, which will bring with it tons and tons of pesticides and fertilizers and herbicides. This area is being ruined (near the everglades), of course the Everglades has already been ruined - the panthers can't reproduce because of mercury, DDT and PCB'sd, Dioxin, etc. There was a natural stand of pines and palmettos and other stuff where the first golf course went in. Always felt Florida was toxic, but it's becoming more so, and I honestly feel as though I can tell the difference with all that spraying nearby. Actually I don't know what they put on it. Naples has the most golf courses in the country, Heather said.
Ingrid, I think you're right about the mercury, etc being circulated around and not being excreted - feel more sensitive to stuff right now that I didn't notice a week ago. Guess everything was dormant. A few parts per billion of an estrogenic chemical leaching from a test tube stimulated breast cancer cells to proliferate...and people wonder where all the cancer is coming from? And those composite fillings haven't been tested long term....will they give off enough to affect a fetus? |
OH Doc
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 12:54 pm: | |
Cilantro being a "natural" chelator vs synthetic chelators like DMPS or DMSA has much fewer side effects and is less harsh. Therefore one can use this type of product without removing your old amalgam fillings. However it is a good idea to get those out as soon as possible and continue to use the tincture during and after the dental procedure. Two othwer interesting aspects about mercury toxicity is 1)Increased brain fog and disturbing dreams are very common since removing mercury from the brain is much more difficult thanfrom soft tissue stores due to the blood-brain barrier. Often, it this condition continues it is necessary to use DMSA which is the only synthetic chelator that passes this barrier. 2) Women with yeast infections seldom can clear the infection until the mercury is removed or at least significantly depleted. In fact it is not a good idea to treat the yeast infection until the mercury is removed. The body uses the fungal infection as "biological strainer" and the fungal infection is actually helping to decrease the toxicity of the heavy metal. Lastly, no dental material is going to be a perfect replacement for tooth structure, however,well placed composites or porcelain filling should be quite comfortable and certainly pose less risk than a material that has mercury, tin and lead. There is a proper way to remove amalgam filling and then restore teeth. Not every dentist is trained or cognicent of those procedures. Ask questions and become comfortable with dentist before having your fillings replaced. Incorrect removal of amalgams can do more harm. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 05:56 pm: | |
Ingrid, thanks for the post. I feel as though have poked a wasp's nest in my brain, as if things are really stirred up. Can the cilantro actually get mercury out of the brain? Have been very irritable and headachy so haven't used any more cilantro and won't til things subside a bit
Now am worried about my daughter's retainer - it is acrylic and have been looking up what's in it - it is made from a monomer and a polymer, both toxic separately - the question is....does it leach estrogenic chemicals in any amount. The only thing I can find is that if the monomer is not fully bonded it can cause allergic reaction, but that may be in the lab - the last thing she needs is leaching chemicals in her mouth. She got enough toxic stuff from me - she was born 3 and 1/2 months early and I'd had two previous miscarriages - she was even given pure caffeine as a premie. She wears 5 earrings on each ear and a lot of metal jewelry on wrists and neck - maybe that is leaching.
Ingrid, have you ever used the ion stabilized oxygen - it is supposed to be quite a body purifier.
Have taken a little selenium, but it increases weird brain sensations - yet it is supposed to be protective, or combine with mercury. Am getting the feeling I have a lot of stored metals - it is really quite amazing that they can go sort of unnoticed for so long (except in various other symptoms).
Sue |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 02:02 pm: | |
Today, after several days off, had 10 drops of cilantro. In the mornings have not felt too great, though at bedtime am usually feeling much better. Yesterday morning had a very frontal headache and was a little dizzy. The rash is starting to clear up, so will start the cilantro again. Also stopped the chlorella for a few days. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 02:52 pm: | |
I just cannot emphasize enough that this is a very serious regime and needs to be supported by herbs (and diet) that aid liver and kidney function. While discontinuing or cutting back the dosage makes impeccable sense, reducing or eliminating the supportive protocols is probably folly. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 08:27 pm: | |
I have been debating whether or not to say why I don't seel chlorella over this site. I attended an all day seminar on oral toxicology last year. One of the speakers say that he had sent 14 brands of chlorella for assaying and that only one tested positive for actually containing chlorella. I immediately asked him the brand but he was not willing to divulge this. Simply said, I don't have the courage to sell something that might not be the real item. . . which is also why so much as possible I source directly from small labs owned by people I know and trust. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 05:04 pm: | |
Ingrid, please edit, if necessary. Today have a budding hemorroid and yeast infection and head and face feel prickly. Have just bought Hal Huggins book, Uninformed Consent, and am being flabbergasted by the information in it. My attention has gone from myself to my daughter and I've spent two days madly seeking information on the metals in the retainer she's been wearing for a year. The orthodontist did not know but did give me the lab number - after pestering them four or five times I found out the retainer is acrylic and stainless steel, which includes nickel and chromium. There is a whole chapter in the above mentioned book on nickel in braces and what it can do to children. Since my daughter was 3 and a half months premature and I was 44 when she was born, there is no question but what my body burden of mercury was passed on. Looking over the years of braces and retainer, I realize it coincided with a change in her and depression and she now can't gain weight and is upset she isn't growing. I have to admit I sat up in bed at 4 am the other morning and almost shouted "eureka!" when I thought of the retainer that gets worn every single night. I din't want her to wear the metal in her mouth one more day and have made waves at the ortho. office. This is hard for me as I'd rather sit around and think than take real uncomfortable action. She'll get fitted for a nonmetal retainer or non nickel one. Does anyone know anything about this subject?
Ingrid, do you have root canals? Am just about to read that chapter.
I just can't believe it took til now to make a connection - My daughter wears 5 earrings in each ear and metal necklaces and bracelets, all coinciding with the period of time she was in braces; it's almost as if the metals in the mouth formed a magnet for metals on the body..and she wants to pierce he eyebrow, lip, tongue, etc., to which have said "no". Now have to think of a way to get her to stop wearing the jewelry. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 02:37 am: | |
Susan,
You keep opening up one can of worms after another! Yet, this is the truth of what is going on and ever so many dentists have told me privately that they are killing people. In public, this is much harder to say . . . and, of course, they are not doing this deliberately . . . still?
I think I have mentioned it before, it is very common that yeast infections become worse as the mercury is being chelated out. My personal opinion is that mercury is toxic to the yeast as well as the person hosting the infection. When one begins to remove the mercury, the system of checks and balances is disturbed and goes through a period of adjustment that is nothing short of hellish for many people.
Now, sit tight because you are really not going to like what I say next . . . so you might want to close your browser.
I don't think you did this so here goes.
One dentist whose professional opinion I respect tremendously told me that he feels that braces are the cause both of growth inhibition and . . . are you ready . . . homosexuality.
You are probably going through much of what I went through when he told me this. I will never forget anything about that afternoon. I remember the music that was playing, the paintings on the wall, and his thesis . . . which in short is that braces put pressure on the palate which, in turn, puts pressure on the pituitary body, hypothalamus, and perhaps even the pineal. He feels it causes the palate to part, almost like dividing the hemispheres of the brain and that all of these factors added together stunts normal growth as well as that part of the growth cycle that is related to sexual differentiation.
I am certain there are many nuances to a theory such as this. For instance, the age when the braces are worn is bound to make a difference as does the length of time that the braces are worn. He was exceptionally passionate in his pronouncement, but I definitely know heterosexuals who wore braces so while braces may contribute to all sorts of problems, they are not the sole explanation for everything we experience in life. |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 08:14 pm: | |
Ingrid, I am glad to hear someone say it!! I had her take out the stainless steel and she'll never put it in again. I got a call from the Nickel Development Institute in Canada last night after emailing a question, and he kept telling me the stainless is no problem, that she gets more nickel from her earrings.
At an orthodontic site, I read that the braces widen the palate, and my daughter had a groove there from the tube when a premie. I think it is the cause of all the teen depression out there and then they are further abused by being given powerful toxic drugs - one sweet kid has been on Ritalin and Paxil, another is on Accutane, and I've seen his personality change before my eyes - so his face is a little clearer - so what - he was such a wonderful kid I never even noticed the acne anyway. Both he and the other boy don't seem like kids - they seem older - probably their bodies' fighting the toxicity of the drugs.
The retainer - now am searching for a plastic one that is not endocrine distrupting or estrogenic. Do you know anything about acrylic and copolyester and whether they leach? Have contacted Eastman Chemical and other labs to try and find out - have not had a definite answer. I just wish I had thought of the braces two years ago, or stuck to my original gut feeling and waited!!!! Think of the thousands of hours they suck on those nickel ions!!!! And the added electric current and the magnifying effect of the different metals in the alloys. The orthos have such a well-oiled machine - no one has ever requested a change of retainer in the history of the office.
Ingrid, can you find out what each drop of cilantro represents in the fresh leaves - a twig? A handful? A bushel? A ton? The last 10 drops 3 days ago hit me like a ton. I stopped and then felt the depression fade yesterday, but it's back today along with a sinus drainage (smelly), a little bronchial congestion and intestinal disruption. Now, I realize it's no joke. I don't see how the metals can ever be gotten out of the system in years and years because there's so much built up. I'm wondering if root canal bacteria (I have four capped root canal teeth) are contributing to this.
The dentist who told you that about the braces is on to something. It may be true, along with all the estrogenic and endocrine disrupting chemicals, in 50 years it'll be a nation of hermaphrodites. And the fact they may hinder growth....that is a stunning confirmation of what may be the reason she stopped growing. She may just be small like my mother and grandmother (5'2" and 5'4") but her father is 6 foot and I am 5' 6 3/4". I can't believe the powerful industries that are constantly pressuring us to put things in our mouths that we don't want!
When you chelated, did you get depressed? Was there a delayed reaction? I don't know how to pull out of this.
Found out from my old dentist up north that I had an amalgam put in in 1992 and just hope it isn't one of the high copper ones, though he did say it had copper in it. Do they all? That's the first tooth to get changed over. But it is also overwhelming to think of how to get all the toxic stuff out of the mouth - the crowns mean some sort of denture if the root canal comes out, and it is just so time consuming and then to imagine feeling like this for many years to come as the immune system goes to town. Am going to the page where you list the chelating support herbs.,etc. |
Jennifer
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 09:00 am: | |
Dear Ingrid,
I've always known that flouride most likely isn't that great for the human body but most recently my husband and I have been finding out extremely frightening facts about it, like it's more toxic than lead but they intentionally put it in our water systems... What I was wondering is if there is anything that would chelate the buildup out of our bodies since they are not able to take care of it themselves?
Thank you very much  |
maggIC
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 06:17 pm: | |
That's a good question - about fluoride. I wonder if there's any way of knowing how much is in the body.
I'd like to tone down my response of yesterday. This morning was coming down with what seems like a cold in the head and it may be the result of all the body stress, but the funny depressed feeling was similar to what you feel before getting a flu. So have taken a lot of vitamin C and will not try chelating until get back on an even keel.
Regarding braces and retainer, I would simply like to stop putting foreign materials in the mouth. They aren't meant by nature to be there, and orthodonture these days is almost like plastic surgery, moving bones, muscles, ligaments, and how could it avoid affecting the glands? It is a major upheavel in the facial area that I'd rather have had her deal with when an adult and not growing anymore. If it did have an affect on growth during the last 3 years, I wonder if it is too late to make it up. I looked at the little height chart we scrawled on the porch wall and find that between 98 and now there's a kind of scrunching when you view the horizontal lines we drew with the date. It's not very scientific, but it definitely shows the slowdown compared to the previous year. I'd like to just let her teeth do at this point what they want without the unnatural discipline of the retainer. Kids are supposed to have fun, or at least grow unfettered. The weird thing is that the teeth want to go back and they are FORCED to stay in the new position. It is unnatural. She had straight front teeth and a beautiful smile - the teeth did not acclude on the right side, but I wanted to wait for a few more years - the ortho pressure makes the kids want them, and all the neat colors and all their friends have them. No one seems to look at the risks. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 11:12 pm: | |
The fluoride in toothpaste is also an industrial waste, of the aluminum industry, not the one that has shown to protect against tooth decay. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 11:13 pm: | |
I'm continuing under cilantro. |
Ingrid (Admin)
| | Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2001 - 11:49 am: | |
This discussion is now being continued as "Oral Chelation, II." |
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