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In addition to the discussion here, there is quite active thread on, another site hosted by Ingrid Naiman.

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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2001 - 03:04 pm:   

Hi Ingrid,

I just read your article on detoxification. I was wondering if you have a program that is used for recovering alcoholics? I saw that you sold a lot of different herbal remedies. The person in question hasn't had a drink for about a month now, which is long for him. I would love to do what ever I could to help him along in his recovery. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thank you,
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Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2001 - 04:16 pm:   

The simple answer is "lots of suggestions." The more complete one is that what makes an alcoholic an alcoholic is the inability to metabolize alcohol. One could look at a host of sociological theories about inhibitions and thresholds and the desire to exceed one's apparent limits in terms of identity, etc., etc.

The fact, however, is that alcohol is basically a sugar. It sedates and reduces normal controls so that one goes into either a fire (anger) or water (drowsy) mode. If the person who drinks becomes abusive, whether verbally or physically, he/she is the one whose fire is deranged by drinking. This person needs liver detoxification and then, of course, regeneration because the liver is trashed by substance abuse. Of these, the surest is probably PF Red Clover Combination. It is a serious detoxifier and should normally be used at least three months and sometimes closer to six.

The liver is regenerated in more or less two years, some people think 18 months, but to be on the safe side, it is better to maintain some kind of program for two years. RL Milk Thistle Plus is a good, steady but mild regenerator. The lycium berry smoothie is also about as good as they come, but you want to see your brother taking milk thistle in some form in order to rebuild his liver.

When the liver is toxic, it is almost impossible to be pleasant. Even the nicest people often become uncontrollably irritable when using extremely toxic protocols such as chemotherapy. All the milk thistle does is protect the liver from harm when the abuse is occurring . . . and then it helps to rebuild healthy liver cells when the detoxification is complete.

The people who fall asleep when drinking have some of the same need for liver protocols, but they are less toxic and more congested. They respond very well to the bitter herbs in the Red Clover formula, but they can also use very sour fruits such as tamarind or rose hips. I will put some such products up on the web for those who are interested.

If the alcoholic happens also to be exposed to harsh chemicals at work or in the home, there are stronger formulae that can be considered but the ones I mentioned are usually well tolerated and steady in their effects.
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Posted on Monday, April 16, 2001 - 07:52 pm:   

Thank you Ingrid. I appreciate the help you have given. I will look for the products you mentioned on your website.


P.S. Is eating sugar a good thing when recovering or is it worse. Meaning if he ate things with more sugar for a while would that help with the craving for alcohol? Sorry if that is a silly question.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - 09:04 pm:   


Basically, eating sugar, as happens often in AA, really means going from one addiction to another. Alcohol is a kind of sugar so while sugar does not contribute to the kinds of problems as alcohol, it does not really support detoxification.

Ayurveda is so interesting. Once you understand the basics, it's crystal clear (get my tapes). The herbs used for detoxifying the body are the same as those used to aid liver function and they are bitter as opposed to sweet. This is the basis of the pharmacology of taste.

I grant you that sugar addiction is preferable to alcohol addiction but it also works to lower inhibitions, just much less dramatically than alcohol. Often, and I realize this is a leap for some people, after the alcoholic is really free of the addiction to alcohol and sugar, sex is often next! A deeper protocol would then have to go beyond all of the dietary issues and look at what a person is really seeking and why.
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Chuck B.
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 05:54 pm:   

I am a 36year old male struggling to feel healthy do to many years of alchohol and dietary abuse.I have always worked around toxic material.Im an automotive mechanic by trade and when I think about all the chemicals and carbon monoxide I have ingested not to mention tobacco and recreational drugs I really wouldn t be surprised if there wasn t allready some sort of irreversable damage.None the less I do come from good stock and Im in dire need of a major overhaul.To make it simple Im in constant pain.I was diagnosed with gout,fatty liver,high cholesteral and my left hand falls asleep and twitches for no apparent reason.Oh and did I mention I feel like Im struggling to breath almost as if Im out of oxygen.I need directions in rebuilding my body without over cleansing and causing another problem.I wuold much appreciate your help. Thank you Chuck B.
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Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 06:41 pm:   


If you are serious, you might commit to a couple of years of herbal assistance to try to reverse and correct problems. In your situation, I would start with detoxification combined with minor amounts of liver and blood tonification. Somewhere between the 2nd and 6th months, you would be increasing the rejuvenative tonics and decreasing the detoxifying ones. After half a year or so, you could adjust the protocol even further and look at the digestive and eliminatory systems.

This is exactly what my mid-life tune up is all about, but I haven't had time to post the hundreds of pages related to this program. Maybe I needed someone who tunes up cars to ask the question!
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 09:18 am:   

I am a 49 year old woman, who was a heavy social drinker due to being anxious at functions, it helped calm me. But this past year i quit cold turkey, and have suffered greatly ever since.. I now suffer from a great deal of anxiety and depression, i have been given several anti-depressants, and anxiety meds..
I wanted to clean up my act,and my body that was the reason for getting of alcohol, but, now, have other problems due to the medications, could you suggest anything, as i know, that these meds.also interefere with the liver.. please any advice..
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 12:26 pm:   


It's pretty hard to respond to the complexity you painted here. The best I might say is that a long-term program of liver detoxification and regeneration would definitely support health.

Since most prescription medications have side effects, often exactly those one wishes to treat, it's almost a catch 22 when it comes to how to handle your various objectives.

You did not actually say you were an alcoholic, merely that you drank to reduce inhibitions, i.e., to feel more comfortable. If you are not an alcoholic, you may want to consider continuing to use a moderate amount of alcohol. I say this cautiously because moderate means a lot of different things to different people.

I used to tell people "two glasses of red wine per week," knowing they would drink at least twice that and feeling generally pretty comfortable with four per week. However, if that becomes 2-4 per day, it is excessive for people who do not metabolize wine well or who might actually be alcoholics.

Personally, I would never take pharmaceutical drugs. The last time I took one was over 30 years ago. I stopped drinking after having iatrogenic hepatitis (liver problems caused by medications and medical interventions.) However, over the last 12 years or so, I have read one study after another on alcohol and am pretty much of the opinion that organic red wines offer some modest health benefits, except, of course, when consumed by alcoholics . . . because there truly are no exceptions with alcoholics. This said, many alcoholics do take herbal medicines in tincture form and this seems safe to most of those I know.

The other suggestions I might make are to manage the anxiety through a combination of counseling that focuses on what your actual fears are when socializing and secondly through Ayurvedic emphasis on vata derangement. There is an article on the main part of this web site on vata.
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Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 10:09 am:   

Thank-you Ingrid, I do not crave alcohol, and am now able to have 1 glass, once in a while with dinner, it has been one yr. and do not see myself as an acoholic, but the drs. say differently, as i drank everynight with supper before.. but my question, would be , does getting off alcohol cause the anxiety and depression, that i now suffer, i am also i believe peri-meno.. and would like the transition to be a smoother ride, than the one i now am on, any comments, would be appreciated, I also have developed tinnitus, since stopping alcohol, and i believe, this could be part of the anxiety depression...
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Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:29 pm:   

Yes, well, my response is essentially the same. All the symptoms one associates with the Menopause are greatly alleviated by cleansing the liver and regulating hormones. I sailed through without a single hot flash or other symptom and have helped many other women to do the same.
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Olive clark
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 10:58 am:   

not sure who to refer this to, but you might want to consider taking the concentration camp reference off of your gall bladder cleanse page.
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Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 10:56 pm:   

Dear Ingrid; I have been reading your writtings and appriciate your viewpoint very much. My situation is such; Both my parents were of the same blood type (don't remember which one). My two older brothers and I were all at risk of having blood transfusions at birth - although none of us did. We were all born with ab+ blood. Our childhoods were filled with neglect and alcholism, both my brothers were full blown alcholics, luckily I passed that phase. Approximately, a decade ago one brother killed himself with a gun and the other died of final stages alcholism. I have fought very hard to surrmount my beginnings and have a beautiful daughter and husband. With my husband of twelve years I have had conflict and therefore many stresses yet love has kept us together. Although, I believe our healths have sufferred tremdemously. A few years ago life seemed to settled, our business became successful and life seemed to be working out fine and I felt finally I was on the next level. Then last December my husband (15 years older than I) was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. This set me into a downward tailspin. I know I do not want to take the route of my brothers, but they were at my age when they passed so the thought has occurred to me. But, I more strongly feel as if I am suppose to be learning my life lesson, which is to finally stop trying to get over whatever it is that is my life past. The way I surmounted all the pain and grief was to keep making an effort to. (yoga, study, meditaion, psychology) This now seems like the wrong solution. I feel I must correct whatever was wrong in the beginning, and somehow I believe this is my blood. Also, I have the adrenals overworked. How can I change my biology? Also, on an intellectual level I feel it is unfair to stay in a strained relationship with my husband at this time if I am making my husband worse; On a soul level I know this is exactly the wrong time to leave. Feeling very overwhelmed...any advise is appricated. All the best & Thanks Helena
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Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 11:32 pm:   

Ingrid; In case my birthdate gives a clue - I was born 12:30 am in tampere finland on 9th april 1962
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 12:47 am:   

This is a complex question, one that could easily take years to answer. If you were in therapy, you would expect to come twice a week for many, many years . . . so posting to a bulletin board poses a real challenge.

The main question is how to change. Basically, there is a good factor for you to consider. In studies of people with multiple personality disorder, the different alters suffer from totally different physiological problems. Obviously, this suggests that there is a control or alter in control and that when the energy at the controls changes, the body will also change. In a sense, this would be the hope everyone needs to know that all conditions are curable with the right strategies, but the strategies must involve the personality at the deepest level.

In your case, I would suggest by studying the real basis of anger . . . and propose that anger is merely an emotion that arises with the particular kind of force needed to make a difference IF you allow anger to transform the injustice or source of toxicity that is vexing your circumstances.

For instance, if what you really dislike is weakness, then you need to be strong. If you want to be a champion for those who are weaker, you have to take a position that is protective of those who can benefit from your protection. If you feel there is intolerance, you need to seek for more liberal and flexible viewpoints that produce understanding instead of judgment. Each time you release one of your opinions, your third eye changes and with it the way the pituitary body acts on the rest of the endocrine system. This is the deepest and most permanent way to total psychological and physiologial transformation.
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maria celiz
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 11:17 pm:   

hi my name is maria and I heard of kudzu it is suppose to help the alcoholic curb thier taste for it.
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Bubba Cain
Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 05:02 pm:   

Ingrid: I hope you can help me prioritize some issues I wish to address in my health. FIRST, I'm having trouble controlling my cravings for alcohol. Is there anyting specific that will help with this?
SECOND, I'm interested in both the "gallbladder flush" and doing chelation with either fresh cilantro juice or your extract, (can do the juice effectively as I have right kind of juicer) . Which should I do first? THIRD, I've been taking probiotics and eating cultured veggies because I like the taste, but I sense that my body is screaming out for increased akalinity. I have a garden full of beautiful heirloom radishes and know they are reported to be akaline. Should I start juicing them?
I suppose what I'm asking is: Can you tell me how to address any/all of these issue at once? If not, please help me determine which "dragon" to slay first. Thanks!
Bubba Cain

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