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Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 03:58 pm: | |
It might have been better to have named this discussion something else, but I want to respond to some of the issues raised in the oral chelation posts.
First, and not to pick on anyone, the majority of people who have obvious symptoms are those who have what is called in Ayurveda "vata derangement" and by astrologers "excess air."
According to Ayurveda, these people function on nervous energy. I would take some liberal interpretations of this ancient system of healing and add some of my own commentary.
We are, if the sages are correct, born with a certain quota of life force, evidence of which can be seen in the first chakra. Yogis have said that they can see the number of breaths and heart beats a person will have by looking at the subtle energy fields (which obviously requires clairvoyance.)
I am less certain of this than that some people use themselves up faster. The air type is easily distracted by new information and ideas and by possibilities for connecting with both thoughts and people. I might say that there is a natural component to this propensity and a pathological dimension, one that is fear driven. Of all the types, air is the less stable and most prone to anxiety, anxiety that can include missing out on something, doing the wrong thing, or not doing enough.
What I want to suggest is that these characteristics are actually symptoms of a condition, not merely personality traits. There is a very fine line between being naturally curious and pathologically obsessed with information.
Believe it or not, the Internet is not actually a free speech forum so I have chosen to address some issues in the context of broader patterns that do not conform to any neat niches monopolized by modern medicine.
So, while my personal motivation for mercury chelation had to do with longer-term issues, such as my life's work not being finished and not wanting to have this work compromised by a brain that had frozen in some kind of bizarre time warp, other people may have urgent and acute conditions that are not going to wait until old age to imperil their health.
On some level, the body knows this and the psyche does also. This drives such people to seek information, not necessarily help. One of my Ayurvedic mentors, Pankaj Naram, used to start his workshops by differentiating between reading a book on swimming and getting in the water.
All the information in the world will not help anyone unless it is put to good use. So, how much information is enough? Whose information can we trust? When can the information be put into action? This matter varies a lot from individual to individual.
Believe it or not, Sacred Medicine Sanctuary (which owns and operates this and many other sites) is really a one person venture. This means that I actually see each order coming in . . . and I am always debating whether or not to send e-mails to people asking them to take the need for supportive measures seriously. In my situation, I often meet people whose symptoms are advanced, really advanced. Some of them are not really candidates for preventative medicine and some of them have been "discarded" by allopathic medicine as having no hope so they come to holistic practitioners and web sites as a last ditch effort without the previous background that those who have been on a natural path for longer understand and appreciate more.
In any event, what I want to say with respect to cilantro and chelation is that people react differently to each product. The proper dose varies not only from individual to individual but also from day to day. As the toxic metals are dislodged, they circulate in the system and depending on exactly where they were harbored, the symptoms of this response also vary. It is really impossible for me to be more specific. However, it is a reasonable deduction that if following the use of such a product one has more tingling sensations that the tingling is related to the mobilization of metals . . . and the next task is to be sure that the metals are eliminated and not simply moved to another location within the body.
These metals are hugely toxic and they can be in a body that never had any amalgams in the teeth because mercury is used in vaccines and is also in paint and all sorts of other contaminants most of us contend with on a daily basis. The bottom line is that some people absorb these more and some have more symptoms whereas others who are asymptomatic may also be poisoned but not know it. They are, as I presumed myself to be, sitting on a time bomb.
I am not a health nut. I am not even phobic about health. I try to use common sense and not get worked up about anything. I'm, as I say everywhere, basically a philosopher. I don't think I'll die before my time comes. Meanwhile, I try to set a good example for responsible maintenance of my body.
I have friends my age and younger whose parents are in homes for people with Alzheimer's and friends who have had strokes. I do not, if I have a choice about it, want to lose my faculties or use of my body. I already had the experience with the spider bites and I can see how devastating it is to want to do something and not be able to do it. However, I may not have as much choice as I would like. Still, I try to treat my body respectfully and lovingly, and I know I have to detoxify from time to time . . . because life on this Planet is frought with hazards to the health.
Meanwhile, I want to point out that extreme impatience with a process, debilitating worry about health and/or the outcome of a protocol, and the incessant need for more information are symptoms of a condition . . . and the symptoms will disappear when the condition is corrected. Only then will the air energies begin to manifest in their preferred form: mental poise, physicial agility, and social graciousness. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 11:28 pm: | |
Several of you are concerned about the magnitude of "industrial medicine." You might also ask about "industrial food" and "industrial agricultural practices."
I come from a sort of mixed cultural background in which I often heard people comment on the political passivity of Americans.
In Switzerland, when there is a food scandal, the edelweiss hotlines spread the word and within a few days, there is a boycott. I have tried to get people to boycott certain products, especially genetically modified food, but most people are too lazy to check out the food they are eating. I try to get people to get rid of their microwave ovens (in some environmentally conscious way that doesn't pollute some other spot on the Planet), but I rarely succeed. People love convenience.
So, the karma here seems to be that we reap what we sow, even if the form of the harvest is different from what we thought we planted. Maybe it's autumn now and we are starting to see what winter will be like.
We are all of us in collusion to some degree or other. For instance, in the last month, I have had ghastly problems with the propane in my house. The obvious solutions would be to move or retrofit the entire house with some other form of fuel. Instead, I am risking my life by having one person after another check out what is wrong. They cannot determine the problem because they believe the chemicals added to propane are safe, that propane itself is safe, and that my symptoms are part of some hypochrondriacal syndrome that is too esoteric for them. Moreover, I certain that if I asked my neighbors whether they have similar problems, I will find them in their front yards with Round Up asking what planet I come from.
Interesting for me, I went to the net to find out what I could about propane . . . and it doesn't take Erin Brockovich to tell you that the net tales did not tally at all with what the folks at the propane company told me.
So, perhaps, for once, Hollywood has done us a favor. It has made Erin Brockovich a household name and it helps us to sift through the myriads of lies conjured up on Madison Avenue to convince us that life will be happier if our teeth are straight . . . so where was the scientific study that showed that people who wore braces are x times less likely to be divorced than those with crooked teeth?
I actually know some ad people. I hate to admit it, but one of clients actually works for a tobacco company. I said straight to her face, "Why should I help you when you are helping people to become addicted to drug laden, carcinogenic sticks?" Her response was, "Have you thought who would be writing those ads if I weren't?"
Years ago, I knew a gay man who worked for a major magazine. He was completely cured. I asked him why his magazine wasn't spreading the word, giving hope to others. He said, "Have you noticed who advertises in our magazine? It's news if a good Christian family adopts a Haitian baby with AIDS. It's not news if someone is cured." |
maggsIC
| | Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2001 - 09:07 am: | |
As I stated in Oral Chelation II, your cilantro extract is the best available - am now up to 8 drops a day for two days, instead of just 5, but feel better going slowly, with several days off in between. |
David Pascucci
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 02:01 am: | |
I hope this doesn't sound like a stupid question, but do the cilantro drops actually taste like cilantro that's in food? I really dislike the taste as a seasoning and was just wondering about the taste of the drops. But, if I can get down Epsom Salt, I guess I could get down cilantro drops. Thanks... |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 12:49 pm: | |
Yes, they taste like cilantro, but more like a liqueur (but not that exquisite) . . . my guess is that if you don't like cilantro, you won't like the drops. However, if you think of the drops as medicine, they are probably still not as bad as many things you could imagine . . . and you need very little and can put them way back in your mouth to avoid contact with your teeth and taste buds. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 03:06 am: | |
This the first time I've accessed this web site. I also hope not to sound stupid. But has anyone noticed an irregular/pounding heartrate and chest pain after eating fresh Cilantro? Lately, I have noticed this symptom after eating fresh Cilantro. I like lots of Cilantro in my Salsa. I do have a history of a fast heart (SVT) rate that has been surgically treated by radio frequency ablation. Eventhough I have been treated twice, I still have a very slightly irregular heart rate that has become sensitive to caffeine and other foods with stimulants. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 01:21 am: | |
I suppose the question here is whether you have mercury in your teeth? If you chew cilantro, you will mobilize mercury and stir up all sorts of sensations.
Welcome to the board! |
Keith
| | Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:05 pm: | |
Ingrid
I read your experience with the cilantro and it is interesting. However you didnt mention what effect you got from doing the detox. Do you have less allergies. Less brain fog ? more energy ? anything you can tell ? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:39 am: | |
Keith,
I never did have any symptoms that I knew were directly related to mercury toxicity. I suspect everyone has risks of which he or she is unaware, but I did not know if I was a candidate for Alzheimer's or anything. However, I clearly mobilized a lot. I stopped at a certain point because I still have some amalgams in my mouth (getting rid of one more on Thursday) and wanted to hold off until all the mercury is out of my teeth. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 10:41 am: | |
Ingrid
I am enjoying your website. I am a 41 year old mother of 3 with very low levels of testosterone. I have a very low libido and poor muscle tone despite my pilates, yoga and weight training programs. My OB has recommended DHEA or HRT. I would like to know what you think about DHEA and testosterone supplentation.
Thanks,
MReynolds |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 02:39 pm: | |
Yes, well, this has to be one of the more confusing posts on this board. Testosterone is, of course, a male hormone though women produce small amounts of this, especially when they push themselves too hard.
I am basically of a more Eastern philosophy. If people are tired, I do not advocate trying to recover from fatigue by weight lifting or jogging. In some situations, this might work, but it presupposes that the cause of the fatigue is blockage and that better circulation would break through the blockage.
On balance, I think this is a mostly flawed theory. My rule for those with fatigue is to pace themselves evenly: build rhythm and predictability into the life. The adrenals raid other parts of the body for energy because they are critical to survival. Maybe Nature is wise to give them first dibs over available resources because it really doesn't matter how good your digestion is if you are in the jars of a tiger.
Since I am vehemently opposed to any tampering with the endocrine system by pharmaceutical means (for metaphysical more than medical reasons), you cannot get any response from me favoring any use of hormonal supplements. I oppose these on ethical grounds and therefore will not even address the medical issues.
This said, if you look at the stress factors in your life, manage your energy better, eat what you can digest and assimilate, take some foods and herbs that nourish the adrenals, the odds are that over a period of time, probably a fairly extensive period of time, you will recover your energy.
In the meantime, you need to realize that energetically fire and water are competing constantly for metabolic, emotional, and every other kind of balance. It is fire (spices) that increases digestive efficiency and water that supports the libido. In my opinion, most people are better off addressing deficiency first. It is a sort of law that nothing in Nature can perform better than what is made possible by that in shortest supply. Let's say you produce enough gastric secretions to metabolism three very small meals a day. Basically, you will be deficient in everything until you compensate for the gastric weakness. In sum, everything will be hypofunctioning until you take measures to correct digestion. Then, assuming you are on a good diet, you will gradually provide the nutrients to rebuild the other systems of the body.
If you take a drug, it acts as a catalyst. In fact, this is what hormones are: microscopic catalysts that trigger responses; but if you are tired, you would be basically lashing yourself to do something your body cannot really do. This is mind over matter and it leads to tremendous devitalization of the body since the body's needs and wishes are basically ignored when will is used to impose its agenda on an unwilling partner.
Best wishes, |
MCR
| | Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 11:10 am: | |
Ingrid,
I am on a journey to help my children. I hope that I am not simply suffering from excess air but I am striving to gather as much information as possible about heavy metal toxicity and make the best decision possible for their health. I believe they are suffering from mercury toxicity but I've been told that organic mercury will not show up on hair analysis but I believe it is there. They also have elevated levels of aluminum in their hair and I am convinced that these metals are responsible for symptoms that earn them the labels of adhd and pdd. They also have yeast and parasite problems which don't seem to be improved with a nutritionist's protocal. I am simply trying to find the gentlest most effective way to rid these beautiful children of these poisonous substances. I know that until we can do this safely their chances for healthy life are in peril. As you say, it is not enough to dislodge the metal in the body it must be expelled. But how can you be sure it will be and are their organs in peril in this process? Sorry this is so long. I am working with several professionals who are credible in this area but I don't trust blindly any one person's take on the subject. After all blind faith in my pediatrition led to this vaccine mess in the first place. Your input would be greatly appreciated. PS Both children have improved dramatically on supplements...cod liver oil, b vitamins, magnesium and zinc. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 01:35 am: | |
I really understand how parents must feel when seeing their children suffer from such side effects.
I think the first thing to do is probably what you have already done: check for all sources of possible addition contamination. This would include pots and pans, aluminum foil, pesticides, baking powder, you name it. Next, you can always use chlorella to see how much will bond with the chlorella and enable your children to eliminate what it present. Then, there are the chelation protocols conducted by dentists, doctors, and a few naturopaths. They have experience. Unfortunately, many people specialize in nothing but this work because the problems are so pervasive.
I wish you the best. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 11:16 pm: | |
I just purchased the cilantro drops last week and was pleased to receive a fast dhl shipment. My amalgams were removed in dec 2002 and I started experiencing daily fatigue, headache and personality problems. I have done two courses of chelation with a whole health doctor but symptoms remain.Also MRI, xray, blood tests, etc. The lab results for the chelation showed I was in the "normal" range of harboring toxic substances. Does Ingrid recommend hair/urine test for mercury after the drops are completed? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 09:31 pm: | |
I don't have any specific recommendations because everyone's response to toxic metals is different and their tolerance of treatment and success with the chosen treatment also varies enormously. This said, a recent study of autistic children showed that normal children had higher levels of mercury in the hair analysis tests. This suggests that those who are better excreters have fewer symptoms of toxicity than those who are testing closer to normal but are, in fact, unable to mobilize toxic metals sufficiently to remove them from the body.
My "advice" is to hang in there, seek whatever help and support you require, and try to stay on top of the challenges until you have overcome the toxicity.
This said, try also to keep in mind that the toxic metals do act as inhibitors on mold, fungi, parasites, and other organisms so that when you are clearing the toxins, these other conditions tend to get worse. This is why it has always made sense to me to address the parasites before the toxic metals.
Good luck. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:58 pm: | |
Ingrid,
If you havent read "Mold Warriors" by Dr. Ritchie C Shoemaker, I will either send you a copy myself or you can buy it but http://www.moldwarriors.com/
it is a must. I have studied this for 1 year and found this book last week. It is a miracle what he has done. Every time I find the cause of one of my symptoms and I don't find what to do about it I come to a dead end in my research; he has put together each one and is the only one who not only explains what is going on and how it comes about but what to do about it. Unreal. So enlightening. |
Imran Khan
| | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 07:34 pm: | |
Ingrid:
I am a little confused here.
1) I am looking for a way to chelate mercury from the brain in particular, but cannot find any Cilantro protocol on here that says how often you should take it (how many hours apart) and how much and for how long. Please advise.
2) What is the difference between the Cilantro in your drop form and that I can get in fresh form from a store regarding advantages and disadvantages.
3) I will not be using Chlorella as this has, via numerous anecdotal reports, been known to cause permanent neurological damage, I went nuts when I simply ate a few pills of it a few months ago, it is nasty stuff and has been shown to be a complete scam by one Jan Drew.
I will be using semi-low dose DMSA instead, is this okay ?
4) Is ordering it from the UK okay ?
Many thanks
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Imran Khan
| | Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 05:01 pm: | |
In addition, I am a little concerned that neither you, nor anybody else on this forum, appears to have admitted to have been cured or had the symptoms they previously suffered significantly reduced. Am I just imagining this or is it my comprehension skills that are lacking ?
I am also a little concerned that you seem to think DMSA crosses the blood-brain barrier, it doesn't in except perhaps rats who have a very poor one.
In addition, it does strike me as a little insane that someone would even dare to try and chelate metals when they still have amalgams in their mouths.
Many thanks.
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Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 12:21 am: | |
So far as I know, cilantro only mobilizes various toxic metals. If it is used independently, the risk would be that metals would simply be circulated and reabsorbed. Only if the metal bonds with something else is there a real chance of removal.
Also, for the record, I have serious warnings everywhere about not using cilantro if there are amalgams in the mouth. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 12:36 am: | |
For Anonymous,
I am always grateful for new books. I think mold is one of the most underdiagnosed problems in the world. Maybe parasites are more ubiquitous and equally missed, but mold is almost never detected and the patients who are impacted have severe symptoms that are life-threatening.
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Val Lowerson
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:54 am: | |
I need to detox mercury from INSIDE my cells (receptors). So far I have had no sucess with this despite using an acclaimed specialist product, although I have detoxed mercury from OUTSIDE cells. I want to try cilantro and DMPS, working on my own as much as possible,for financial reasons. Do you send cilantro to the UK?. . Do you know where I could get DMPS, and how would you recommend I take them? with many thanks Val Lowerson |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 10:50 pm: | |
Hello,
I intend to join this list, but I just found this list surfing the internet. I am curious as to where Khan found that Chlorella is a scam and can cause serious damage. It has been used as a super nutrient by Asian cultures for a long long time. It is an algae and what would be harmful about it? Here is a link to the Klinghardt Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol.
http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/new/9steps.htm
Ann |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 06:34 pm: | |
hey,
i am also wanting to start to chelate,
but only one evening searching on chlorella gives me dozens of sites that mention it can be dangerous...
i really dont want to use synthetic chelators...
maybe sauna is the best way after all ?
this is a difficult choice...
any 'test' methods ? to notice how it works ?
i did eat a cilantro soup over last though and didnt notice something bad...
oh, btw, maybe it's interesting to mention whey on the site because it can do a lot of help in detox...
baai...
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